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The deep state, state within a state, shadow government, or permanent government is a fluid network of individuals with de facto control of a national government. Many "democratically elected" governments work as fronts, allowing the deep state to operate in secret while providing a level of plausible deniability. On matters of deep political importance, the public machinery of government is routinely subverted by agents of the deep state.

The deep state (loosely synonymous with the shadow government or permanent government) is in contrast to the public structures which appear to be directing individual nation states. The deep state is an intensely secretive, informal, fluid network of deep politicians who conspire to amplify their influence over national governments through a variety of deep state milieux. The phrase "deep state" derives from the Turkish "derin devlet", which emerged after the 1996 Susurluk incident so dramatically unmasked the Turkish deep state. It has experienced a surge of use in 2017, though often not in keeping with the meaning attributed by the diplomat who coined the phrase.

Official Narrative

The 1996 Susurluk car crash, the deep event which lead to the coining of the phrase "deep state".

The official narrative of deep states used to be that they simply do not exist. This position was modified in the last few years to the claim that they don't exist here. In 2013 the New York Times defined the deep state as "a hard-to-perceive level of government or super-control that exists regardless of elections and that may thwart popular movements or radical change. Some have said that Egypt is being manipulated by its deep state."[1] Since the Times (like the rest of the commercially-controlled media) is more or less a under the control of the deep state, such a mention is very interesting. The implication of the second half of their definition is clear:- other countries are not being manipulated by a deep state. A 2012 blog post at the World Bank takes the same line, "You think your country has undergone a transition to democracy... You realize that there are powerful elite formations bequeathed by years, even decades, of authoritarian rule still able to block progressive change and protect their interests." By stating that "deep states that exist in many youngish ‘democracies’", it neatly skirts the sensitive topic of deep state control over governments which have long claimed to be 'democracies'.[2]. A 2013 book entitled "Deep State" attempts to soften the term, mentioning only minor infractions, making no mention of false flag attacks and bemoaning 9-11 "conspiracy theorists".[3]

2017 Popularisation

Full article: Deep state/2017 Popularisation

The phrase "deep state" experienced a huge rise in usage after the election of Donald Trump. In March 2017, in particular, corporate media outlets all seemed to be offering contrasting ideas about what the term might mean, some denying its applicability, others suggesting it was politically partisan. This is an interesting development given the mound of evidence that the deep state controls corporate media.


As powerful and self-interest groups (probably even more dominated by psychopaths and sociopaths than other large hierarchies), deep states seek to frustrate radical and progressive change, so as to preserve their own power, and that of the establishment in general. In contrast to overtly authoritarian rule, deep states must operate more or less secretly, like terrorist groups, so preserving secrecy is a high priority. Control of the commercially-controlled media is essential to the effective preservation of secrecy need for the deep state to work effectively. In the US this is effected through deep state control of the CIA. With the apparatus of nation states under their control, their subterfuges can be elaborate and complex. The deep states of the world have a natural common interest in hiding their existence, which predisposes them to mutual assistance. As a Turkish cartoon put it in 1997 "Deep state protects its own."[4]


While the exact composition of particular deep state groups and deep state milieux varies, they appear to be more or less centered upon what Dwight Eisenhower referred to as the "Military-industrial-congressional complex", although intelligence agencies are essential to their functioning. They are made up of:

Supranational Nature

Full article: Supranational Deep State

The name "deep state" suggests an immediate parallel with nation state, which is not altogether misleading, at least historically, since these groups often evolved as secret cabals to control nation states. However, although originating in particular localities, deep state factions are highly interlocked in the 21st century deep politics. Peter Dale Scott refers in a recent essay to "A Supranational Deep State", noting how their international integration effectively allows deep states to evade even the limited control national governments had in the early 20th century.[6]

Fluid nature

Power relations between deep politicians remain fluid, so deep states should not be be seen as alternative power structures to the visible organisational structures which they dominate. Relationships between Mafia families offer a suitable parallel, combining an often uneasy cooperation with occasional violent and sudden change. All deep state groups share share a common interest in preventing exposure of the real goings on behind the facade of electoral politics, so even violently opposed factions can cooperate to hide the true nature of deep events.

Deep Politics

Full article: Deep Politics

"Deep Politics" is a term used to describe the topics and processes of importance to the agents of the deep state. These might or might not be recognisable as connected to the concerns called "politics". Since (by definition) deep politics are concerns of which the public are ignorant, they are generally presented instead as politics. In most countries of the world today, party politics is basically a veneer used to obscure the real, deep political, considerations. In contrast to multiple levels of superficial political considerations, deep political motives are sometimes much simpler; Charlotte Denett, for example, suggests that the deep politics of WW1 and WW2 was actually centered on control of the Middle East's oil and gas supplies.[7]

Deep Events

Full article: Stub class article Deep Events

"Deep Events" are the footprints of the deep state. Low level deep events are typically unnoticed at the time, and discovered only as part of later investigations. Mid level deep events have a set of cover stories which are made available to a supine or venal commercially-controlled media to steer attention away from their deep political significance. The assassination of David Kelly, for example, is often presented as suicides. Sometimes a planeload of other victims are used to obscure their deep political significance.

Deep state groups use structural deep events to try to change entire societies, sometimes without them even knowing it. The JFK Assassination, for example, was actually a coup d'etat that radically changed the US political scene, but corporate media successfully presented it to US citizens as the work of a "Lone Nut" devoid of deep state connections.

The defining deep event of the 21st century, the 9/11 attacks, helped launch the era of perpetual war known as the "War on Terror". While the broad outline is increasingly understood, many of the details remain obscure even to researchers. Larry Silverstein's multi-billion dollar windfall and the insider trading are widely known, but evidence is accumulating that these were but minor parts of much larger suite of financial frauds carried out deep political insiders who capitalised on the opportunity.[8][9][10]  

Events carried out

9-11/WTC7/Collapse11 September 2001 17:20:52 - 11 September 2001 17:20:58
Arms for Libya1977 - 1981
Operation Gladio/B1997 - Present

Related Documents

TitleTypePublication dateAuthor(s)Description
American War Machinebook introduction1 November 2010Peter Dale Scott
Anatomy of the Deep Stateessay21 February 2014Mike LofgrenAn up to date analysis of the deep state in the US from a former insider who does not oppose the official narrative of 9-11.
Counter-Intelligence: Spying Deters Democracyinterview7 July 2014Kim Petersen
Scott Noble
Democratic State v Deep Stateessay1 January 2008Ola TunanderAn excellent introduction to deep politics. By clarifying the real role of the Secret Intelligence Services and the policy agenda they under firm control in most Western 'Democracies' (especially the UKUSA nations), it demonstrates the irrelevance of the party-political masquerade.
Fifty Years of the Deep Statebook22 November 2013Mark GortonA remarkable summary of the deep state which names names - the most prominent being that of George H.W. Bush, whom Gorton identifies as the mastermind behind the 9/11 plot.
Obama’s Humanitarianism as Window-Dressing for the US “Deep State” Agenda - The Case of Syriaarticle18 June 2013Elizabeth Woodworth
The Deep State and 9/11article11 June 2008Peter Dale Scott
The Spectacle of The False FlagWikiSpooks Page1 March 2015Eric Wilson
The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworldpaper10 March 2014Peter Dale ScottAn recommended and highly referenced overview of the deep state in action centering on the complex milieu of Khashoggi, the BCCI, and the Safari Club.
The Terror Attacks in France. The Broader Geopolitical Implicationsinterview10 January 2015Umberto PascaliInterview with Umberto Pascali – For Voice of the People, TV Sonce, Skipje, Macedonia
Transnationalised Repression Parafascism and the USarticleSeptember 1986Peter Dale Scott

Related Quotations

Deep state/2017 Popularisation“Though the deep state is sometimes discussed as a shadowy conspiracy, it helps to think of it instead as a political conflict between a nation’s leader and its governing institutions.”16 February 2017
Deep state/2017 Popularisation“There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power.”Mike Lofgren22 February 2014
Harry S. Truman“For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the government.... I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations.”Harry S. Truman
Malcolm Muggeridge“In the eyes of posterity it will inevitably seem that, in safeguarding our freedom, we destroyed it. The vast clandestine apparatus we built up to prove our enemies' resources and intentions only served in the end to confuse our own purposes; that practice of deceiving others for the good of the state led infallibly to our deceiving ourselves; and that vast army of clandestine personnel built up to execute these purposes were soon caught up in the web of their own sick fantasies, with disastrous consequences for them and us.”Malcolm MuggeridgeMay 1966
Peggy Noonan“I have come to wonder if we don’t have what amounts to a deep state within the outer state in the U.S. — a deep state consisting of our intelligence and security agencies, which are so vast and far-flung in their efforts that they themselves don’t fully know who’s in charge and what everyone else is doing.”Peggy Noonan28 October 2013
Theodore Roosevelt“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”Woodrow Wilson
Woodrow Wilson“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”Woodrow Wilson


  1. A Wordnado of Words in 2013, New York Times, December 21, 2013. Grant Barrett
  2. The 'Deep State' Confronts the Accountability Revolution, 2012
  3. Deep State - Inside the government secrecy industry by Mark Ambinder & D. B. Grady admits the existence of a black budget in the USA but makes no mention of False flag attacks and declares "the Kennedy assassination... the shallow end of the insanity pool — a place where otherwise reasonable thinkers can wade in unreasonable ideas... There was no cover-up. There was no conspiracy... But the nature of state secrecy ensures that there will always be conspiracy theorists. Kennedy is but one in a list that grows every day, despite the pesky meddling of the duo of logic and facts." pp.96 - 100
  4. Blind Turk Is Going to Jail To Find Freedom, He Says, The first New York Times article to mention the "deep state", from 1997
  5. The "Deep State" behind U.S. democracy - Voltaire Network 6 April 2011
  6. Document:The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworld
  7. The Supranational Deep State, 2 hour radio show
  8. Document:Fifty Years of the Deep State
  9. Document:Collateral Damage 911
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