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A '''limited hangout''' is the deliberate revelation of ''some'' information (e.g. about malfeasance) to try to confuse and/or prevent discovery of other information. A [[modified limited hangout]] goes further, by slightly changing the information disclosed. | A '''limited hangout''' is the deliberate revelation of ''some'' information (e.g. about malfeasance) to try to confuse and/or prevent discovery of other information. A [[modified limited hangout]] goes further, by slightly changing the information disclosed. | ||
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| − | [[image:guardian limited hangout photo cropping.png|left|512px|thumbnail|In 2015, ''[[The Guardian]]'' published a carefully cropped photo of [[Andrew Windsor]], [[Virginia Roberts]] and [[ Ghislaine Maxwell]]]] | + | ==Origin== |
| − | By presenting some true and useful information, a source may gain credibility, which can be put to use later, if a credible source is desired to disseminate | + | ===Official Narrative=== |
| + | [[File:Screenshot 2023-07-25 at 10-45-37 CIA TO 'ADMIT' HUNT INVOLVEMENT IN KENNEDY SLAYING - CIA-RDP81M00980R000600230023-6.pdf.png|450px|thumb|right|The first verifiable public admission and explanation of the term by a CIA officer came from former [[CIA]] officer and [[whistleblower]] [[Victor Marchetti]].<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20040104040234/http://www.hpol.org/transcript.php?id=130</ref>. Released by the [[CIA]] per [[FOIA]] request in [[2004]]<ref>https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81M00980R000600230023-6.pdf</ref>.]] | ||
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| + | The term comes from the Intelligence community and was known to top-top level politicians as a way to leak sensitive information. The term became known to the public when in [[1973]], [[US President]] [[Richard Nixon]] was discussing what later became known as the [[Watergate scandal]] with [[John Dean]], [[John Ehrlichman]], [[John N. Mitchell]], and [[H. R. Haldeman]]. | ||
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| + | ==Purposes== | ||
| + | [[image:guardian limited hangout photo cropping.png|left|512px|thumbnail|In 2015, ''[[The Guardian]]'' published a carefully cropped photo of [[Andrew Windsor]], [[Virginia Roberts]] and [[Ghislaine Maxwell]]]] | ||
| + | By presenting some true and useful information, a source may gain credibility, which can be put to use later, if a credible source is desired to disseminate ''dis''information. Another point is that by presenting information, an audience may be desensitized to an otherwise engaging or shocking topic. If more information later emerges, the audience may feel "this is nothing new" (as the {{ccm}} said about [[Gary Webb]]'s ''[[Dark Alliance]]'', which minutely documented case that the [[CIA/Drug trafficking|CIA was engaged in the illegal drug business]]). | ||
===Selection of information=== | ===Selection of information=== | ||
| − | The more valuable the information that is | + | The more valuable the information that is "hung out", the more an audience may be disposed to confer credibility on a source. It is easy to see how a subset of information can be chosen that makes it hard to guess the remainder - for example, if it is atypical or otherwise misleading. |
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| + | Personal factors may dictate which information exposed; for example, a deep politician could arrange a limited hangout of information implicating person or persons deemed to be disloyal. Information selection could be used to send coded messages that only insiders would understand. | ||
===Wikileaks=== | ===Wikileaks=== | ||
{{FA|Wikileaks}} | {{FA|Wikileaks}} | ||
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| + | A reminder that it is always wise to at least keep open the possibility of a limited hangout is [[Wikileaks]]. [[Julian Assange]] was quoted in July 2010 as stating that "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as [[9/11]], when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for [[war]] or mass financial fraud."<ref>http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html</ref> It seems unlikely that a man with his experience could miss such an obvious [[false flag]]. | ||
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| + | In 2009, Wikileaks leaked a huge set of pager messages for the day of 9/11 - which one might suspect would prove interesting, but which in practice has proven to be of relatively little interest. They freely admit that "it's impossible to tell whether the logs have been faithfully reproduced in their entirety".<ref>https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Egads!_Confidential_9/11_Pager_Messages_Disclosed</ref> If the set of messages was purged before being posted, then this corresponds to a ''limited'' hangout. If false messages were inserted, this makes it a ''modified'' limited hangout. | ||
[[Webster Tarpley]] maintains a high level of suspicion of the {{ccm}} and has voiced skepticism early about stories they promote. He suggests that examples of ''Modified limited hangout'' include: | [[Webster Tarpley]] maintains a high level of suspicion of the {{ccm}} and has voiced skepticism early about stories they promote. He suggests that examples of ''Modified limited hangout'' include: | ||
===Panama Papers=== | ===Panama Papers=== | ||
{{FA|Panama Papers}} | {{FA|Panama Papers}} | ||
| − | Described by [[#Edward Snowden|Edward Snowden]] | + | Described by [[#Edward Snowden|Edward Snowden]] as the "biggest leak in the history of data journalism", the [[Panama Papers]] was the April 2016 release of over 2½TB of data, apparently created by the Panamanian corporate service provider [[Mossack Fonseca]] - detailing >200,000 offshore companies, including the identities of shareholders and directors. This has a highly skewed distribution of people and nations{{cn}} (barely any from the US) suggesting that it might be a partisan limited hangout. |
==Modified limited hangout== | ==Modified limited hangout== | ||
| − | + | ===Watergate Scandal=== | |
| + | On 22 March 1973 [[John Ehrlichman]] coined the phrase "modified limited hangout" in a meeting with [[Richard Nixon]], [[John Dean]], [[John N. Mitchell|John Mitchell]], and [[H.R. Haldeman]],<ref>Frost/Nixon: The Complete Interviews. David Frost, Richard Nixon. Paradine Television, 1977.</ref><ref>http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/26/magazine/on-language-in-nine-little-words.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm| accessdate=23 June 2013|newspaper=New York Times|date=26 March 1989}}</ref> in the following exchange:<ref>http://www.hpol.org/transcript.php?id=130| title=Transcript of a recording of a meeting among the president, John Dean, John Erlichman, H.R. Haldeman, and John Mitchell on March 22, 1973 from 1:57 to 3:43 pm|publisher=History and Politics Out Loud|accessdate=2006-08-27}}</ref> | ||
{{cquote|PRESIDENT: You think, you think we want to, want to go this route now? And the — let it hang out, so to speak?<br/> | {{cquote|PRESIDENT: You think, you think we want to, want to go this route now? And the — let it hang out, so to speak?<br/> | ||
DEAN: Well, it's, it isn't really that --<br/> | DEAN: Well, it's, it isn't really that --<br/> | ||
| − | HALDEMAN: It's a limited | + | HALDEMAN: It's a limited hangout.<br/> |
| − | DEAN: It's a limited | + | DEAN: It's a limited hangout.<br/> |
| − | EHRLICHMAN: It's a modified limited | + | EHRLICHMAN: It's a '''modified limited hangout'''.<br/> |
PRESIDENT: Well, it's only the questions of the thing hanging out publicly or privately.}} | PRESIDENT: Well, it's only the questions of the thing hanging out publicly or privately.}} | ||
| − | Before this exchange, the discussion captures Nixon outlining to Dean the content of a report that Dean would create, laying out a misleading view of the role of the White House staff in events surrounding the [[Watergate coup]]. In Ehrlichman's words: "And the report says, 'Nobody was involved,'". | + | Before this exchange, the discussion captures Nixon outlining to Dean the content of a report that Dean would create, laying out a misleading view of the role of the White House staff in events surrounding the [[Watergate coup]]. In Ehrlichman's words: "And the report says, 'Nobody was involved,'". The document would then be shared with the [[Senate Watergate Committee]] investigating the affair. The report would serve the administration's goals by protecting the President, providing documentary support for his false statements should information come to light that contradicted his stated position. Further, the group discusses having information on the report leaked by those on the Committee sympathetic to the President, to put exculpatory information into the public sphere. |
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| + | The phrase has been cited as a summation of the strategy of mixing partial admissions with misinformation and resistance to further investigation, and is used in political commentary to accuse people or groups of following a Nixon-like strategy.<ref>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/05/01/DD150649.DTL</ref> | ||
| − | + | {{FA|Catholic Church/VIPaedophile}} | |
| + | Writing in the ''[[Washington Post]]'', [[Mary McGrory]] described a statement by [[Pope John Paul II]] regarding [[sexual abuse]] by priests as a "modified, limited hangout".<ref>https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44668-2002Apr24.html</ref> | ||
| − | + | ===Insertion of false information=== | |
| + | If a batch of otherwise correct information contains purposely inserted falsehoods that later can be clearly shown to be incorrect by corporate media, this will muddle the waters and discredit the correct information as well. | ||
===Edward Snowden=== | ===Edward Snowden=== | ||
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Commentators such as [[Webster Tarpley]] have suggested that [[Edward Snowden]] may not in fact be the dissident voice that he claims, but in fact be part of a modified limited hangout operation to chill resistance and encourage people to [[self-censor]].<ref>https://off-guardian.org/2018/01/04/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout/</ref> As evidence he observes that Snowden's revelations: | Commentators such as [[Webster Tarpley]] have suggested that [[Edward Snowden]] may not in fact be the dissident voice that he claims, but in fact be part of a modified limited hangout operation to chill resistance and encourage people to [[self-censor]].<ref>https://off-guardian.org/2018/01/04/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout/</ref> As evidence he observes that Snowden's revelations: | ||
# have not touched on [[deep events]] such as the [[JFK assassination]] or [[9-11]] | # have not touched on [[deep events]] such as the [[JFK assassination]] or [[9-11]] | ||
| − | # have been treated | + | # have been treated anomalously by the {{ccm}}, as compared to evidence presented by other [[whistleblowers]].<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ya3fr/i_am_now_convinced_that_snowden_is_part_of_a/</ref><ref>http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/18/309609/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout-op/</ref> |
| − | [[John Young]] and [[Deborah Natsios]] of [[Cryptome]], as well as [[Sibel Edmonds]] have also shown considerable | + | [[John Young]] and [[Deborah Natsios]] of [[Cryptome]], as well as [[Sibel Edmonds]] have also shown considerable skepticism about the Snowden affair.<ref>http://timshorrock.com/?p=2354</ref> <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-nC36D3nBk</ref> |
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| + | == Interpretation == | ||
| + | The timing and geopolitical context of genuine leaks can be used to conjecture on the possible purposes of the leaker(s). Even more so, the selection and/or modification of information in limited hangouts. However, this very fact can itself be used to try to misdirect, for example, experts could deliberately carry out inexpert modifications to try to hide their identity. | ||
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==References== | ==References== | ||
{{Reflist}} | {{Reflist}} | ||
Latest revision as of 09:00, 25 July 2023
 Limited hangout   (propaganda technique, tradecraft, deep statecraft)   | |
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 A limited hangout is a propaganda technique, which works because information needs a context for correct interpretation. Subtly changing or omitting information changes the interpretation of the surrounding information. | |
| Interest of | Richard Nixon |
| A propaganda technique to try to suppress the revelation of secret information. | |
A limited hangout is the deliberate revelation of some information (e.g. about malfeasance) to try to confuse and/or prevent discovery of other information. A modified limited hangout goes further, by slightly changing the information disclosed.
Contents
Origin
Official Narrative
The term comes from the Intelligence community and was known to top-top level politicians as a way to leak sensitive information. The term became known to the public when in 1973, US President Richard Nixon was discussing what later became known as the Watergate scandal with John Dean, John Ehrlichman, John N. Mitchell, and H. R. Haldeman.
Purposes
By presenting some true and useful information, a source may gain credibility, which can be put to use later, if a credible source is desired to disseminate disinformation. Another point is that by presenting information, an audience may be desensitized to an otherwise engaging or shocking topic. If more information later emerges, the audience may feel "this is nothing new" (as the commercially-controlled media said about Gary Webb's Dark Alliance, which minutely documented case that the CIA was engaged in the illegal drug business).
Selection of information
The more valuable the information that is "hung out", the more an audience may be disposed to confer credibility on a source. It is easy to see how a subset of information can be chosen that makes it hard to guess the remainder - for example, if it is atypical or otherwise misleading.
Personal factors may dictate which information exposed; for example, a deep politician could arrange a limited hangout of information implicating person or persons deemed to be disloyal. Information selection could be used to send coded messages that only insiders would understand.
Wikileaks
- Full article: Wikileaks
- Full article: Wikileaks
A reminder that it is always wise to at least keep open the possibility of a limited hangout is Wikileaks. Julian Assange was quoted in July 2010 as stating that "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud."[3] It seems unlikely that a man with his experience could miss such an obvious false flag.
In 2009, Wikileaks leaked a huge set of pager messages for the day of 9/11 - which one might suspect would prove interesting, but which in practice has proven to be of relatively little interest. They freely admit that "it's impossible to tell whether the logs have been faithfully reproduced in their entirety".[4] If the set of messages was purged before being posted, then this corresponds to a limited hangout. If false messages were inserted, this makes it a modified limited hangout. Webster Tarpley maintains a high level of suspicion of the commercially-controlled media and has voiced skepticism early about stories they promote. He suggests that examples of Modified limited hangout include:
Panama Papers
- Full article: Panama Papers
- Full article: Panama Papers
Described by Edward Snowden as the "biggest leak in the history of data journalism", the Panama Papers was the April 2016 release of over 2½TB of data, apparently created by the Panamanian corporate service provider Mossack Fonseca - detailing >200,000 offshore companies, including the identities of shareholders and directors. This has a highly skewed distribution of people and nations[citation needed] (barely any from the US) suggesting that it might be a partisan limited hangout.
Modified limited hangout
Watergate Scandal
On 22 March 1973 John Ehrlichman coined the phrase "modified limited hangout" in a meeting with Richard Nixon, John Dean, John Mitchell, and H.R. Haldeman,[5][6] in the following exchange:[7]
| “ | PRESIDENT: You think, you think we want to, want to go this route now? And the — let it hang out, so to speak? DEAN: Well, it's, it isn't really that -- |
” |
Before this exchange, the discussion captures Nixon outlining to Dean the content of a report that Dean would create, laying out a misleading view of the role of the White House staff in events surrounding the Watergate coup. In Ehrlichman's words: "And the report says, 'Nobody was involved,'". The document would then be shared with the Senate Watergate Committee investigating the affair. The report would serve the administration's goals by protecting the President, providing documentary support for his false statements should information come to light that contradicted his stated position. Further, the group discusses having information on the report leaked by those on the Committee sympathetic to the President, to put exculpatory information into the public sphere.
The phrase has been cited as a summation of the strategy of mixing partial admissions with misinformation and resistance to further investigation, and is used in political commentary to accuse people or groups of following a Nixon-like strategy.[8]
- Full article:
Catholic Church/VIPaedophile
- Full article:
Writing in the Washington Post, Mary McGrory described a statement by Pope John Paul II regarding sexual abuse by priests as a "modified, limited hangout".[9]
Insertion of false information
If a batch of otherwise correct information contains purposely inserted falsehoods that later can be clearly shown to be incorrect by corporate media, this will muddle the waters and discredit the correct information as well.
Edward Snowden
- Full article: Edward Snowden affair
- Full article: Edward Snowden affair
Commentators such as Webster Tarpley have suggested that Edward Snowden may not in fact be the dissident voice that he claims, but in fact be part of a modified limited hangout operation to chill resistance and encourage people to self-censor.[10] As evidence he observes that Snowden's revelations:
- have not touched on deep events such as the JFK assassination or 9-11
- have been treated anomalously by the commercially-controlled media, as compared to evidence presented by other whistleblowers.[11][12]
John Young and Deborah Natsios of Cryptome, as well as Sibel Edmonds have also shown considerable skepticism about the Snowden affair.[13] [14]
Interpretation
The timing and geopolitical context of genuine leaks can be used to conjecture on the possible purposes of the leaker(s). Even more so, the selection and/or modification of information in limited hangouts. However, this very fact can itself be used to try to misdirect, for example, experts could deliberately carry out inexpert modifications to try to hide their identity.
Examples
| Page name | Description |
|---|---|
| Afghanistan Papers | A set of documents published by The Washington Post which constitute an official opposition narrative that the invasion of Afghanistan was a mistake. |
| Donald Trump/Conspiracy theories | Wikipedia has an article listing all the "conspiracy theories" promoted by Donald Trump. |
| Hollywood/VIPaedophile | Over the years, many people have alleged that paedophilia is widespread in Hollywood. No systematic investigation has been carried out, but increasingly many insiders are personally testifying about the widespread nature of the business. |
| Incompetence | Incompetence is often a limited hangout. |
| Jeffrey Epstein/Associates List | Jeffrey Epstein's associates list was released in January 2024 |
| Jeffrey Epstein/Black book | A list of contacts of Epstein. Many famous people. Nobody tried to investigate why, only cherry picked names and every confronted individual denied the book to mean anything other than a paper contact list, which doesn't seem plausible. Why some are still omitted is also not clear. |
| Lockdown Files | Matt Hanchock has his WhatsApp messages leaked |
| Mani pulite | |
| National Security Archive | The largest repository of declassified U.S. documents outside the federal government. |
| Nieuwsuur | A state-funded TV program that replaced several award-winning current affairs programs that were "too biased"...meaning not following the official narrative. |
| Panama Papers | A huge (2.6TB) cache of confidential documents created by the Panamanian corporate service provider Mossack Fonseca that provide detailed information on more than 214,000 offshore companies, including the identities of shareholders and directors. Those identified include numerous wealthy and powerful political figures and organisations of many countries. |
| Pandora Papers | The most expansive leak of tax haven files in history |
| Paradise Papers | A set of 13.4 million confidential electronic documents about use of tax havens to house around $10 trillion. The highly skewed nature of the exposure (very little from the US) suggest it was a modified hangout |
| Pentagon Papers | Report of the Office of the Secretary of Defense Vietnam Task Force |
| Pizzagate | Important conspiracy in the US/2016 Presidential election campaign. |
| Project Pegasus revelations | Mass leak of info about Israel spyware |
| QAnon | Deep State perpetrated modified limited hangout cum distraction psyop to try to obscure the increasing public awareness of its presence |
| Rockefeller Commission | A limited hangout to try to control revelations about the US deep state's exploitation of the CIA. |
| The Twitter Files | Elon Musk buying Twitter resulted in the exposure of internal Twitter Inc documents |
| Wikileaks/Vault 7 | Release of electronic surveillance and cyber warfare tools from the CIA arsenal. |
Related Document
| Title | Type | Publication date | Author(s) | Description |
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| Document:How to identify CIA limited hangout operation | article | 18 June 2013 | Webster Tarpley | Citing the Pentagon Papers as an example, Tarpley suggests that both Wikileaks and the Snowden affair are limited hangout operations by the CIA. |
References
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20040104040234/http://www.hpol.org/transcript.php?id=130
- ↑ https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81M00980R000600230023-6.pdf
- ↑ http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html
- ↑ https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Egads!_Confidential_9/11_Pager_Messages_Disclosed
- ↑ Frost/Nixon: The Complete Interviews. David Frost, Richard Nixon. Paradine Television, 1977.
- ↑ http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/26/magazine/on-language-in-nine-little-words.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm%7C accessdate=23 June 2013|newspaper=New York Times|date=26 March 1989}}
- ↑ http://www.hpol.org/transcript.php?id=130%7C title=Transcript of a recording of a meeting among the president, John Dean, John Erlichman, H.R. Haldeman, and John Mitchell on March 22, 1973 from 1:57 to 3:43 pm|publisher=History and Politics Out Loud|accessdate=2006-08-27}}
- ↑ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/05/01/DD150649.DTL
- ↑ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44668-2002Apr24.html
- ↑ https://off-guardian.org/2018/01/04/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout/
- ↑ http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ya3fr/i_am_now_convinced_that_snowden_is_part_of_a/
- ↑ http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/18/309609/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout-op/
- ↑ http://timshorrock.com/?p=2354
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-nC36D3nBk
