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| − | |text=The first time I really questioned it, I was working on a project where we were measuring HIV in people's blood. At this place called Specialty Laboratories in Santa Monica. I was just a consultant there and I came in about three days a month, and we were working on that and at some point we needed to re-up our grant from the NIH to work on that and I had to write it. And so the first line of that was "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS". I wrote that and then I said, well I need a paper, some kind of scientific paper to reference that statement. Because when you make a scientific statement like that, that's like a fact, you need to say here's how come I know that, right. You put a little one if it's the first statement you've made and then you put down at the bottom of the paper you have a one, you say here's a paper by somebody that describes why that statement is true, right. And so i said [unintelligeble] let me think about, what is that paper, where do I go to for that and I looked around, I asked a couple of virologists that company and they said "no you don't have to reference", I said I have to reference that because I don't know, I don't know where that came from, how do I know that? And it turned out that nobody knew it. There wasn't a scientific reference, like a, a paper that somebody had submitted with like experimental data in it, and like logical discussion and said here's how come we know that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. There was nothing out there like that, nothing. [...]<p>By the time I met Luc Montagnier I had met a lot of AIDS researchers at meetings, and I had always gone up to them, if they talked like they knew about age HIV and AIDS, I always went up to him afterwards and I said: where can I find a scientific reference that I can use for my, remember I said I had a sentence there it said "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS" and I needed to have that backed up by something, before I could write it and submit it. And I went around, I asked a whole lot of people, I | + | |text=The first time I really questioned it, I was working on a project where we were measuring HIV in people's blood. At this place called Specialty Laboratories in Santa Monica. I was just a consultant there and I came in about three days a month, and we were working on that and at some point we needed to re-up our grant from the NIH to work on that and I had to write it. And so the first line of that was "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS". I wrote that and then I said, well I need a paper, some kind of scientific paper to reference that statement. Because when you make a scientific statement like that, that's like a fact, you need to say here's how come I know that, right. You put a little one if it's the first statement you've made and then you put down at the bottom of the paper you have a one, you say here's a paper by somebody that describes why that statement is true, right. And so i said [unintelligeble] let me think about, what is that paper, where do I go to for that and I looked around, I asked a couple of virologists that company and they said "no you don't have to reference", I said I have to reference that because I don't know, I don't know where that came from, how do I know that? And it turned out that nobody knew it. There wasn't a scientific reference, like a, a paper that somebody had submitted with like experimental data in it, and like logical discussion and said here's how come we know that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. There was nothing out there like that, nothing. [...]<p>By the time I met Luc Montagnier I had met a lot of AIDS researchers at meetings, and I had always gone up to them, if they talked like they knew about age HIV and AIDS, I always went up to him afterwards and I said: where can I find a scientific reference that I can use for my, remember I said I had a sentence there it said "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS" and I needed to have that backed up by something, before I could write it and submit it. And I went around, I asked a whole lot of people, I said, well, you know, [unintelligible] I can't find it. First I looked for, you know, just in like computer searching kind of stuff like that, but then I said got to be somebody that knows this, you go to experts and ask them. And so I ask all these people one after the other and none of them had it, none of them. And I was getting really freaked about that, that's when I first started saying they don't know, nobody really knows. This whole thing is a big sham, it's ridiculous. But then finally Montagnier came to a, there was a special little seminar down in San Diego where an old friend of Robert Gallos, Flossie Wong-Staal, was opening up the department of AIDS research down at San Diego they had big, lots of money involved, federal money, and they had Montagnier come there and give a talk and after that they had a little wine and cheese thing, and I went over to Montagnier afterwards and I said, uh Dr Montagnier I have a, I can't find a reference like who, I can't find a reference to go with the statement "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS". I'm sure you can help me, and he knew that he probably should be able to help me.<p> And he said well why don't you quote this new work, this, and by new he meant like something came out this year, right, this new work about a virus that can kill uh monkeys. Or I think it was not monkeys, it was like something related to monkeys, some kind of a baby, a little ape. And I had read that and I said that didn't, it was like supposedly going to be a model system for studying AIDS if somebody had figured out some kind of retrovirus that passing it back and forth between various mammals they could probably, they could finally put it into chimpanzees and kill them. And it killed them in about a week, and it didn't kill them in any (..), there was nothing like AIDS there you know. It doesn't kill you in a week. This is totally ridiculous, none of the symptoms were the same, and I said, I said well you know I read that paper, and I didn't see any connection between that and AIDS and [unintelligible] I wouldn't want to use that as a reference, and uh (..), I don't remember exactly what he said but I know he walked away.<p>Oh, no before he told me about that paper he said: why don't you use the NIH, like the CDC report, and I said well I looked at that and that was not a scientific paper. And then he said what about this other thing, this like paper. That had just come out about a month before, and it a lot of fanfare associated with that paper but it was total crap. It was like, yeah, if you get two million dollars you can figure out how to kill a primate with a retrovirus, so what. Doesn't have anything to do with AIDS. It didn't look like AIDS, it didn't smell like AIDS, it wasn't AIDS, it was just like, got a retrovirus that can kill a chimpanzee, so what? So I didn't get any more out of him he walked away after that, and the people standing around by the way who were his colleagues there, looked at him like they were thinking he should come up with a better answer than that. But he couldn't, and that's he just turned around and walked away. I really thought he'd have an answer, I really did. I mean that was my last, I was right at the edge of my faith in the system, but I thought Montagnier will know why he thinks HIV causes it, and he'll tell me, he'll say because of this study, you know, but he didn't have that. None of those guys have that. And that's why they're so, they're so weird, you know, that's why they don't want to say, they don't want people like me walking up and asking them those kind of questions. And they're willing to like go to great lengths to prevent that. They're out on a limb I wouldn't want to be there with them. |
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Revision as of 22:05, 16 January 2021
 Acquired immune deficiency syndrome  (disease, virus)   | |
|---|---|
| Start | 1981 |
| Abbreviation | AIDS |
| Interest of | • Deborah Birx • Peter Duesberg • Anthony Fauci • Robert Gallo • Gregg Gonsalves • David Lewis • Jeanne Marrazzo • Jon Rappoport • Robert Redfield • Zhengli Shi • Soumya Swaminathan • The Perth Group • Blaine Trump • UNAIDS • Don Craig Wiley |
| Subpage(s) | •AIDS/Background |
The Acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) is a spectrum of medical conditions caused by a pathogen. Following initial infection a person may not notice any symptoms, or may experience a brief period of influenza-like illness. Typically, this is followed by a prolonged period with no symptoms. If the infection progresses, it interferes more with the immune system, increasing the risk of developing common infections such as tuberculosis, as well as other opportunistic infections, and tumors which are otherwise rare in people who have normal immune function.
Contents
Official Narrative
Acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) is caused by the HIV virus. It "brought on a new era in government-guided vaccine research, under the guidance of Anthony Fauci."[1]
Origins
The disease is widely believed to have emerged by zoonotic jump. A constellation of symptoms named "Gay-related immune deficiency" was noted in 1982.[2] In 1983, a group of scientists and doctors at the Pasteur Institute in France, led by Luc Montagnier, discovered a new virus in a patient with signs and symptoms that often preceded AIDS. They named the virus lymphadenopathy-associated virus, or LAV, and sent samples to Robert Gallo in the United States.
Treatment
The drug AZT was used during the 1980s to suppress the outbreak of AIDS in a person infected with the HIV virus.[3]
Research
In February 2020 Forbes published No, The Coronavirus Was Not Genetically Engineered To Put Pieces Of HIV In It.[4] Other commercially-controlled media had similar titles.[5]
HIV/SARS virus combinations
In 2007 the Journal of Virology published Difference in Receptor Usage between Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) Coronavirus and SARS-Like Coronavirus of Bat Origin, a paper by Wuze Ren, Xiuxia Qu, Wendong Li, Zhenggang Han, Meng Yu, Peng Zhou, Shu-Yi Zhang, Lin-Fa Wang, Hongkui Deng and Zhengli Shi. They described preparation of "HIV-based pseudoviruses" and "investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency virus-based pseudovirus system with cell lines expressing the ACE2 molecules of human, civet, or horseshoe bat." The corresponding author's address was the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where some (or all?) of the work was carried out.[6]
Operation INFEKTION
Operation INFEKTION was the popular name given to a disinformation campaign run by the KGB in the 1980s to plant the idea that the United States had invented HIV/AIDS as part of a [biological weapons]] research project at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Historian Thomas Boghardt popularized the codename "INFEKTION" based on the claims of former East German Ministry of State Security (Stasi) officer Günther Bohnsack, who claimed that the Stasi codename for the campaign was either "INFEKTION" or perhaps also "VORWÄRTS II" ("FORWARD II"). However, historians Christopher Nehring and Douglas Selvage found in the former Stasi and Bulgarian State Security archives materials that prove the actual Stasi codename for the AIDS disinformation campaign was Operation DENVER.[7]
In 1985 Literaturnaya Gazeta published an article that claimed that the Centers for Disease Control had participated in a program to "create another kind of biological weapon" for the Pentagon, and that "They made a special trip to Africa, and particularly to Zaire and Nigeria, then to Latin America, to collect materials about highly pathological viruses that cannot be encountered in European and Asian countries."[8]
Criticism
Critics of the "HIV causing AIDS" theory may argue:
- HIV does not exist, or HIV has not been adequately isolated
- HIV does not fulfill Koch's postulates
- HIV testing is inaccurate
Suggested alternative causes of AIDS include:
- drugs
- malnutrition
- the very antiretroviral drugs used to treat the syndrome
Kary Mullis
“The first time I really questioned it, I was working on a project where we were measuring HIV in people's blood. At this place called Specialty Laboratories in Santa Monica. I was just a consultant there and I came in about three days a month, and we were working on that and at some point we needed to re-up our grant from the NIH to work on that and I had to write it. And so the first line of that was "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS". I wrote that and then I said, well I need a paper, some kind of scientific paper to reference that statement. Because when you make a scientific statement like that, that's like a fact, you need to say here's how come I know that, right. You put a little one if it's the first statement you've made and then you put down at the bottom of the paper you have a one, you say here's a paper by somebody that describes why that statement is true, right. And so i said [unintelligeble] let me think about, what is that paper, where do I go to for that and I looked around, I asked a couple of virologists that company and they said "no you don't have to reference", I said I have to reference that because I don't know, I don't know where that came from, how do I know that? And it turned out that nobody knew it. There wasn't a scientific reference, like a, a paper that somebody had submitted with like experimental data in it, and like logical discussion and said here's how come we know that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. There was nothing out there like that, nothing. [...]
By the time I met Luc Montagnier I had met a lot of AIDS researchers at meetings, and I had always gone up to them, if they talked like they knew about age HIV and AIDS, I always went up to him afterwards and I said: where can I find a scientific reference that I can use for my, remember I said I had a sentence there it said "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS" and I needed to have that backed up by something, before I could write it and submit it. And I went around, I asked a whole lot of people, I said, well, you know, [unintelligible] I can't find it. First I looked for, you know, just in like computer searching kind of stuff like that, but then I said got to be somebody that knows this, you go to experts and ask them. And so I ask all these people one after the other and none of them had it, none of them. And I was getting really freaked about that, that's when I first started saying they don't know, nobody really knows. This whole thing is a big sham, it's ridiculous. But then finally Montagnier came to a, there was a special little seminar down in San Diego where an old friend of Robert Gallos, Flossie Wong-Staal, was opening up the department of AIDS research down at San Diego they had big, lots of money involved, federal money, and they had Montagnier come there and give a talk and after that they had a little wine and cheese thing, and I went over to Montagnier afterwards and I said, uh Dr Montagnier I have a, I can't find a reference like who, I can't find a reference to go with the statement "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS". I'm sure you can help me, and he knew that he probably should be able to help me.
And he said well why don't you quote this new work, this, and by new he meant like something came out this year, right, this new work about a virus that can kill uh monkeys. Or I think it was not monkeys, it was like something related to monkeys, some kind of a baby, a little ape. And I had read that and I said that didn't, it was like supposedly going to be a model system for studying AIDS if somebody had figured out some kind of retrovirus that passing it back and forth between various mammals they could probably, they could finally put it into chimpanzees and kill them. And it killed them in about a week, and it didn't kill them in any (..), there was nothing like AIDS there you know. It doesn't kill you in a week. This is totally ridiculous, none of the symptoms were the same, and I said, I said well you know I read that paper, and I didn't see any connection between that and AIDS and [unintelligible] I wouldn't want to use that as a reference, and uh (..), I don't remember exactly what he said but I know he walked away.
Oh, no before he told me about that paper he said: why don't you use the NIH, like the CDC report, and I said well I looked at that and that was not a scientific paper. And then he said what about this other thing, this like paper. That had just come out about a month before, and it a lot of fanfare associated with that paper but it was total crap. It was like, yeah, if you get two million dollars you can figure out how to kill a primate with a retrovirus, so what. Doesn't have anything to do with AIDS. It didn't look like AIDS, it didn't smell like AIDS, it wasn't AIDS, it was just like, got a retrovirus that can kill a chimpanzee, so what? So I didn't get any more out of him he walked away after that, and the people standing around by the way who were his colleagues there, looked at him like they were thinking he should come up with a better answer than that. But he couldn't, and that's he just turned around and walked away. I really thought he'd have an answer, I really did. I mean that was my last, I was right at the edge of my faith in the system, but I thought Montagnier will know why he thinks HIV causes it, and he'll tell me, he'll say because of this study, you know, but he didn't have that. None of those guys have that. And that's why they're so, they're so weird, you know, that's why they don't want to say, they don't want people like me walking up and asking them those kind of questions. And they're willing to like go to great lengths to prevent that. They're out on a limb I wouldn't want to be there with them.”
Kary Mullis (2009) [9]
A AIDS victim on Wikispooks
| Title | Description |
|---|---|
| Nicholas Eden | Son of UK PM Anthony Eden |
Related Quotations
| Page | Quote | Author | Date |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1991 | “It is widely believed by the general public that a retrovirus called HIV causes a group of diseases called AIDS. Many biomedical scientists now question this hypothesis. We propose a thorough reappraisal of the existing evidence for and against this hypothesis, to be conducted by a suitable independent group. We further propose that the critical epidemiological studies be devised and undertaken.” | Robert Hoffman Charles A. Thomas Jr Harvey Bialy Harry Rubin Richard C. Strohman Phillip E. Johnson Gordon J. Edlin Beverly E. Griffin Robert S. Root-Bernstein Gordon Stewart Carlos Sonnenschein Richard L. Pitter Nathaniel S. Lehrman John Lauritsen William Holub Claudia Holub Frank R. Buianouckas Philip Rosen Steven Jonas Bernard K. Forscher Kary B. Mullis Jeffrey A. Fisher Hansueli Albonico Timothy H. Hand Eleni Eleopulos Robert W. Maver Ken N. Matsumura David T. Berner Theodor Wieland Joan Shenton John Anthony Morris Sungchul Ji | 6 June 1991 |
| Azidothymidine | “The reason why only one drug has been made available — AZT — is because it’s the only drug that has been shown in scientifically controlled trials to be safe and effective.” | Anthony Fauci | |
| Li Keqiang | “In the 90s, several dispensaries of the Government of Henan Province (led at the time by Li) launched a blood trade, exploiting the poverty of many farmers. The lack of hygiene in the transfusions helped spread the HIV virus in the country. In subsequent years, the future prime minister used every form of censorship and repression to prevent the truth from emerging.” | Li Keqiang Asianews.it | 2012 |
| Sasha Latypova | “The perpetrators desperately, at all cost, need you to to believe that "mutating viruses in a lab" achieves some scary result, that then can be "leaked". That anyone can do it, even a PhD student in their garage. That our enemies are doing it and will "release" a super scary bug any time now, unless the Government is "prepared" by making a stockpile of "predictive vaccines" that can be deployed in DAYS after a new scary virus is detected in China. Or Timbuktu. It is, however, a narrative. There is no way to "mutate viruses" in a lab in the way they all imply - to artificially make them deadlier and more transmissible at the same time. This is a propaganda fairytale with a very specific goal. You should be very concerned about any person (on "their" side or "ours") who repeats it with a serious face. | Sasha Latypova | 27 January 2023 |
| Thabo Mbeki | “Not long ago, in our own country, people were killed, tortured, imprisoned and prohibited from being quoted in private and in public because the established authority believed that their views were dangerous and discredited. We are now being asked to do precisely the same thing that the racist apartheid tyranny we opposed did, because, it is said, there exists a scientific view that is supported by the majority, against which dissent is prohibited... People who otherwise would fight very hard to defend the critically important rights of freedom of thought and speech occupy, with regard to the HIV-AIDS issue, the frontline in the campaign of intellectual intimidation and terrorism...” | Thabo Mbeki | |
| Plasma Economy | “In the 90s, several dispensaries of the Government of Henan Province (led at the time by Li) launched a blood trade, exploiting the poverty of many farmers. The lack of hygiene in the transfusions helped spread the HIV virus in the country. In subsequent years, the future prime minister used every form of censorship and repression to prevent the truth from emerging.” | Asianews.it | 2012 |
| Jon Rappoport | “Long term, the medical cartel is the most dangerous cartel in the world, because they fly under a politically neutral banner. They claim they are completely non-partisan, we are here to help, to heal, and that's it. Who could doubt that? This is the greatest cover operation anyone could conceive of, using medical science, the medical system, with its toxic drugs, its toxic vaccines, to destroy whole populations from within. And occasionally come out with some massive epidemic program to further suppress and destroy populations.” | Jon Rappoport | 29 September 2022 |
References
- ↑ https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
- ↑ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2384092/
- ↑ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/setback-for-aids-research-as-azt-drug-fails-in-tests-treatment-fails-to-protect-healthy-hiv-positive-1452737.html
- ↑ https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/02/02/no-coronavirus-was-not-bioengineered-to-put-pieces-of-hiv-in-it/
- ↑ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
- ↑ https://jvi.asm.org/content/82/4/1899
- ↑ http://archive.today/2021.01.16-210259/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION
- ↑ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/30/Soviets-blame-AIDS-on-CIA/6419499496400/
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20100325023034/http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site/about-house-of-numbers/the-interviewees House of Numbers (Documentary)
