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===Problems=== | ===Problems=== | ||
| − | [[image:Lockerbie-aerial.jpg|right|400px|thumbnail|For comparison, see an aerial shot of the crater caused by [[Pan Am Flight 103]], a somewhat larger plane (empty weight 168 tons / Maximum Takeoff Weight | + | [[image:Lockerbie-aerial.jpg|right|400px|thumbnail|For comparison, see an aerial shot of the crater caused by [[Pan Am Flight 103]], a somewhat larger plane (empty weight 168 tons / Maximum Takeoff Weight 333 tons)<ref>https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/boeing-747-121/</ref> over Lockerbie in [[1988]].]] |
The lack of evidence speaks for itself: | The lack of evidence speaks for itself: | ||
| − | {{QB| | + | {{QB|{{t| |
* Reporter: Any large pieces of debris at all? | * Reporter: Any large pieces of debris at all? | ||
* Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there. | * Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there. | ||
* Reporter: Smoke? Fire? | * Reporter: Smoke? Fire? | ||
* Konicki: Nothing. It was absolutely quiet. It was, uh, actually very quiet. Um, nothing going on down there. No smoke. No fire. Just a couple of people walking around.<ref>http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/old/flight93_2.htm</ref> | * Konicki: Nothing. It was absolutely quiet. It was, uh, actually very quiet. Um, nothing going on down there. No smoke. No fire. Just a couple of people walking around.<ref>http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/old/flight93_2.htm</ref> | ||
| − | }} | + | }}}} |
==Alternative Theories== | ==Alternative Theories== | ||
| − | [[ | + | An alternative theory, that a missile was fired at it would seem to explain how debris can be scattered over an area of miles, no bodies, luggage, and that only minimal plane parts were visible at the 'crash site'. But there was no large field of debris, only the hole in the ground - there remains an utter lack of human remains or plane parts. The coroner, [[Wallace Miller]] remarked of the supposed crash scene that: |
| − | [[ | + | {{QB|{{t|"It was a really a very unusual site. You almost would’ve thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere ... Even by the standard model of an [[airplane crash]], there was very little, even by those standards." (CNN, 3/11/2002)<ref name=haf>http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html saved at [https://web.archive.org/web/20200920121016/https://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at-9-11-crash-site.html Archive.org]</ref>}}}} |
| + | {{QB|{{t|"The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven’t, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop. The only thing I can deduce is that the crash was over in half a second. There was a fireball 15-20 metres high, so all of that material just got vaporised." (“On Hallowed Ground,” The Age, 9/9/2002)"<ref name=haf/>}}}} | ||
| − | + | [[Donald Rumsfeld]] in [[Iraq]] in 2004 asked his audience of US troops to "imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who... shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon...". An [[NPR]] broadcast the following day, "unable to get clarification from the Pentagon" presumed that this was just a slip of the tongue.<ref>http://www.globalresearch.ca/slip-of-the-tongue-rumsfeld-admits-that-flight-93-was-shot-down/5626</ref> | |
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| − | + | [[Dick Cheney]] admitted on camera to giving the order to shoot down a flight after 3 had crashed that morning.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vV3fjfeb9Q saved at [https://archive.is/FsyzE Archive.is]</ref> | |
| − | + | ===Another plane or drone=== | |
| + | Since the crash site suggests that a smaller plane or drone crashed in the ground, it likely has not been hit by a missile, which would have created a much greater debris field. | ||
| − | [[ | + | ===Pete Raffa=== |
| + | [[image:Pete Raffa.jpg|left|300px]] | ||
| + | [[Pete Raffa]] was the [[National Guard]] commander (Commander of Operations, 180th Fighter Wing) out of Toledo, Ohio, who was scrambled on 9/11 and who would have seen <u>what</u> kind of aircraft was in the air, or not. Found dead on 2 December 2001,<ref>https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/pete-raffa-obituary?pid=154847744</ref> reportedly of a [[heart attack]], aged 44.<ref>https://www.toledoblade.com/news/deaths/2001/12/03/Perrysburg-boys-soccer-coach-dies-of-apparent-heart-attack/stories/200112030019</ref> | ||
==The Dark Overlord== | ==The Dark Overlord== | ||
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==Gerhard Wisnewski== | ==Gerhard Wisnewski== | ||
| − | [[Gerhard Wisnewski]], an employee of the German [[television]] network [[ARD]] at the time,<ref>https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/cover-story-panoply-of-the-absurd-a-265160.html</ref> did report about the crash in Shanksville with investigative work in the | + | [[Gerhard Wisnewski]], an employee of the German [[television]] network [[ARD]] at the time,<ref>https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/cover-story-panoply-of-the-absurd-a-265160.html</ref> did report about the crash in Shanksville with investigative work in the 2002-2003 period.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20160803012541/http://schou.de/terrorwar/Shanksville-Cleveland.pdf</ref> He lost his contract after that.<ref>https://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/03/prweb359578.htm saved at [https://web.archive.org/web/20121024131955/http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/03/prweb359578.htm Archive.org] saved at [https://archive.is/Ul5kD Archive.is]</ref> |
==Passengers disembarked== | ==Passengers disembarked== | ||
Revision as of 00:12, 24 April 2021
 The crater supposedly created by a 100 ton Boeing 757. | |
| Date | 11 September 2001 |
|---|---|
| Interest of | Jochen Scholz, Gerhard Wisnewski |
| Description | The official narrative, that the plan crashed into soft earth and buried itself, explaining the complete lack of luggage, plane or body parts, was questioned by reporters at the time, but that coverage seems not to have been repeated. |
United Airlines Flight 93 was a passenger flight that crashed into a field in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, on 911. The aircraft, a Boeing 757-222, was a daily scheduled morning flight from Newark International Airport in New Jersey to San Francisco International Airport in California. It has been speculated that the plane was meant to crash into building 7 after the fall of the twin towers.[1][2]
Contents
Official narrative
The official narrative, that a plane effectively buried itself, is particularly implausible. One reporter for FOX News commented "It looks like there's nothing there, except for a hole in the ground." [3]
Flight recorder
The BBC reported that the recorder of Flight 93 had been found in "fairly good condition."[4]
Problems
The lack of evidence speaks for itself:
- Reporter: Any large pieces of debris at all?
- Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there.
- Reporter: Smoke? Fire?
- Konicki: Nothing. It was absolutely quiet. It was, uh, actually very quiet. Um, nothing going on down there. No smoke. No fire. Just a couple of people walking around.[6]
Alternative Theories
An alternative theory, that a missile was fired at it would seem to explain how debris can be scattered over an area of miles, no bodies, luggage, and that only minimal plane parts were visible at the 'crash site'. But there was no large field of debris, only the hole in the ground - there remains an utter lack of human remains or plane parts. The coroner, Wallace Miller remarked of the supposed crash scene that:
"It was a really a very unusual site. You almost would’ve thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere ... Even by the standard model of an airplane crash, there was very little, even by those standards." (CNN, 3/11/2002)[7]
"The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven’t, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop. The only thing I can deduce is that the crash was over in half a second. There was a fireball 15-20 metres high, so all of that material just got vaporised." (“On Hallowed Ground,” The Age, 9/9/2002)"[7]
Donald Rumsfeld in Iraq in 2004 asked his audience of US troops to "imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who... shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon...". An NPR broadcast the following day, "unable to get clarification from the Pentagon" presumed that this was just a slip of the tongue.[8]
Dick Cheney admitted on camera to giving the order to shoot down a flight after 3 had crashed that morning.[9]
Another plane or drone
Since the crash site suggests that a smaller plane or drone crashed in the ground, it likely has not been hit by a missile, which would have created a much greater debris field.
Pete Raffa
Pete Raffa was the National Guard commander (Commander of Operations, 180th Fighter Wing) out of Toledo, Ohio, who was scrambled on 9/11 and who would have seen what kind of aircraft was in the air, or not. Found dead on 2 December 2001,[10] reportedly of a heart attack, aged 44.[11]
The Dark Overlord
Jason Bermas did report about the release of hacked "litigation related documents"[12] by the The Dark Overlord group in 2019, which showed that lawyers involved in litigation considered it a fact that Flight 93 was shot down over Pennsylvania.[13]
Gerhard Wisnewski
Gerhard Wisnewski, an employee of the German television network ARD at the time,[14] did report about the crash in Shanksville with investigative work in the 2002-2003 period.[15] He lost his contract after that.[16]
Passengers disembarked
"Rebekah Roth" has suggested, that the plane landed and passengers got off, a la Operation Northwoods.[17]
Related Document
| Title | Type | Publication date | Author(s) | Description |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Document:Norad-911-Jochen Scholz | interview | 30 January 2011 | Jochen Scholz | Excerpted from a NuoViso interview with Lieutenant-Colonel Jochen Scholz of the German air force on 911 and the war on terror. |
References
- ↑ http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread840964/pg1 saved at Archive.org saved at Archive.is
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20131023015718/http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/911-shock-opera-act-4-%E2%80%93-building-7-and-flight-93-the-grand-finale-that-wasn%E2%80%99t/ saved at Archive.is
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20110914170842/http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/old/flight93_2.htm saved at Archive.is
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20071217192300/http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1543564.stm
- ↑ https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/boeing-747-121/
- ↑ http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/old/flight93_2.htm
- ↑ a b http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/shanksville-coroner-no-bodies-found-at.html saved at Archive.org
- ↑ http://www.globalresearch.ca/slip-of-the-tongue-rumsfeld-admits-that-flight-93-was-shot-down/5626
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vV3fjfeb9Q saved at Archive.is
- ↑ https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/pete-raffa-obituary?pid=154847744
- ↑ https://www.toledoblade.com/news/deaths/2001/12/03/Perrysburg-boys-soccer-coach-dies-of-apparent-heart-attack/stories/200112030019
- ↑ http://archive.today/2019.01.05-163901/https://steemit.com/thedarkoverlord/@thedarkoverlord/press-release-01-new-year-s-eve-disclosure
- ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeTlDu0k0cU saved at Archive.is
- ↑ https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/cover-story-panoply-of-the-absurd-a-265160.html
- ↑ https://web.archive.org/web/20160803012541/http://schou.de/terrorwar/Shanksville-Cleveland.pdf
- ↑ https://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/03/prweb359578.htm saved at Archive.org saved at Archive.is
- ↑ http://www.methodicalillusion.com/
