Talk:David McGowan

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I was looking for the subject of his next book that he didn't finish.

I just read that it was pancreatic cancer.

Is it too far to mention that the deep state has weaponized fast acting cancer (Jack Ruby, Bob Marley, etc)?

This might be worth checking over for info:

I think including criticisms helps round out a profile. This criticism says he was 100% controlled opposition (which I don't believe):

Link to his work:

~ JasonCarswell (talk) 04:53, 23 July 2017 (IST)

I recommend you put in any material which you think would help give a fuller impression of the life (and death) of David McGowan. -- Robin (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2017 (IST)


So I just discovered InfoGalactic has a stub on DM. I'd always intended to start a WP-style article. I will build it up parallel with WS - as with others. I hadn't seen the 2017 response above before. It might be nice to get PING working on WS. IG doesn't have it but on WP it's invaluable.

Anyway, I was comparing IG to WS info and discovered that WS says he died on Nov 23 and on JFK's assassination anniversary, yet IG says Nov 22 (what a day), and now I found another source that says Nov 22. Meanwhile I also found states the 23.

Also, there was discussion on SaidIt about a couple quotes in Derailing Democracy that were not cited or dated, and unfortunately it seems possible they are not authentic quotes. I scanned my own copy and will post images with the text (yet to be cleaned up after the OCR) here: and if it's okay, also on WikiSpooks. But now I might work on the DM article first before the DD Intro - regardless, I will chip away at them. ~ JasonCarswell (talk) 23:08, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

"Alissa’s Note: After a courageous and painful six-month battle, Dave passed away on November 22, 2015" [1]

One unsourced quote for which apparently no corroboration has been found was on page 13 of Derailing Democracy ""The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."--Former CIA Director William Colby ‘" it was maybe the one piece of info in the book that had no footnote. If anyone does find corroboration for that, there's a couple forums, who despite Dave's impeccable sourcing otherwise latch onto this one admittedly scathing error, whos faces id love to rub it in. of all places, and Mick West of all people, has given context to the quote. its still not accurate but. (actually this is form the cia and the media by carl besrnstein which is pretty well-known, i should have remebered this.

In November 1973, after many such shifts had been made, Colby told reporters and editors from the New York Times and the Washington Star that the Agency had “some three dozen” American newsmen “on the CIA payroll,” including five who worked for “general‑circulation news organizations.”

After Colby left the Agency on January 28th, 1976, and was succeeded by George Bush, the CIA announced a new policy: “Effective immediately, the CIA will not enter into any paid or contractual relationship with any full‑time or part‑time news correspondent accredited by any U.S. news service, newspaper, periodical, radio or television network or station”

So Mick claims George Bush Sr ended that policy so the CIA obviously doesnt do that anymore. Spies never tell lies, right guys? Mick also, despite admitting its documented the CIA had extesnive numbers of press men on its payroll back then, says conspiracy theorist now attribute the quote or bernstein article to the press today, despite quoting a dead guy who quit working for the cia around the time bernstein's article was written. He also has no reason to believe this isn't still going on in some form or another, other than Bush Senior saying he ended the policy. But even then Bush only said they wouldn't enlists correspondents, which I believes leaves management (and interns, and pretty much anyone else without a byline) fair game. People arent saying that carl bernstein wrote that article yesterday when they quote it either though. what the hell is he talking about? Mick West is such a douche[2] AgentTorange (talk) {my key} 05:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


Another of the unsourced quotes was a lincoln quote about capitalism. The quote is in a couple legit Lincoln books but has been described as coming from a fraudlulent letter. There was no way for any non-historian to suspect or realistically find out other than serendipitously the quote wasn't legit at that time

Dave's description of a court case related to the Franklin scandal in Programmed to Kill also doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Someone was a no-show for a court date, but the reprecussions for not showing up were not criminal, so it was a win by techinality to the two plantiff's involved at the time. I can't remember the details exactly, but I had to read like 20 pages of an affidavit to reach this conclusion.

His description of the Landslide Productions takedown involving multiple high profile and famous people also fails to address the likelihood that people paying for internet cp in an age predating Tor would have been well-advised to resort to credit card fraud (iP addresses back then were even less reliable than they are now as identifiers, as it was common for ISPs to assign one IP to multiple customers, and as a result of this, peoples' IP address's would sometimes chage too. Im not sure about the ubiquity of wireless internet in the mid-late 90s, regardless if there's two things a shared IP wont preclude investigators from pursuing, they are drug and cp. and leaks i guess, but digital leakage wasnt the rage then it is now ), either stealing or using fake names, to enlist those services. In the book, iirc, he cites credit card information directly as the source of sherriff's claims that so many high profile people were involved AgentTorange (talk) {my key} 04:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Also the Questioning our reality link above that claims dave was conrolled opposition, the authors clearly being facetious, making fun of Dave and Dave's fans AgentTorange (talk) {my key} 11:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)