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::The SMW is not ''primarily'' for linking. There may be better alternatives. What would be a good example? -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC) | ::The SMW is not ''primarily'' for linking. There may be better alternatives. What would be a good example? -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC) | ||
| − | :::[[Smartdust]] and MKULTRA ; [[Nanobiotechnology]] and COVID-19/Vaccine | + | :::[[Smartdust]] and [[MKULTRA]] ; [[Nanobiotechnology]] and "[[COVID-19/Vaccine]]" [[User:Terje|Terje]] ([[User talk:Terje|talk]]) 22:26, 5 January 2022 (UTC)--- |
| − | [[User:Terje|Terje]] ([[User talk:Terje|talk]]) 22:26, 5 January 2022 (UTC)--- | ||
::::Is it not? I thought so. Anyway, [[Billionaire]] is concept, but has interest [[Transhumanism]] and [[social control]]. One could make it group but that is beside the point, I think it is a good way to bring topics together, ie linking them - Transhumanism being very good example, others not so good since not exactly in the logic of the sentence "xyz has an interest" (can have an interest) ... still the aspect of bringing stuff together prevails. -- [[User:Sunvalley|Sunvalley]] ([[User talk:Sunvalley|talk]]) 17:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC) | ::::Is it not? I thought so. Anyway, [[Billionaire]] is concept, but has interest [[Transhumanism]] and [[social control]]. One could make it group but that is beside the point, I think it is a good way to bring topics together, ie linking them - Transhumanism being very good example, others not so good since not exactly in the logic of the sentence "xyz has an interest" (can have an interest) ... still the aspect of bringing stuff together prevails. -- [[User:Sunvalley|Sunvalley]] ([[User talk:Sunvalley|talk]]) 17:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC) | ||
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| + | Well, I should clarify, you are right that the SMW ''does'' link the data, but on a ''semantic'' level. Being able to automatically hyperlink related data is just a handy side effect. I'm not convinced that we need ''|interests'' for concepts by any of the examples you gave. i.e. | ||
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| + | * [[Smartdust]] is not interested in [[MKULTRA]]. The converse ''might be'' true, but MKULTRA uses [[Template:Event]], which already has this option | ||
| + | * [[Nanobiotechnology]] is not interested in "[[COVID-19/Vaccine]]". "[[COVID-19/Vaccine]]" is not interested in "[[Nanobiotechnology]]". If they are are an example of it (I'm no expert on either) |{{t|constitutes}} would apply | ||
| + | * [[Billionaire]] (the concept) is not interested in [[transhumanism]] or [[social control]]. [[Peter Thiel]] may be interested in both, and he may {{t|constitute}} a billionaire, but this is an indirect relationship, and one that we can already express with the existing SMW properties. | ||
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| + | So while I don't rule out {{t|{{!}}interests}} for concepts per se, I didn't yet find a very convincing need for it. SMW is a very powerful system, and has a corresponding potential for complexity, which is one reason I have a preference for using fewer rather than more properties. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 18:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC) | ||
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Can a concept get "interests", or something that makes sense to get SMW linking? -- Sunvalley (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- I have been adding "interests" to some concepts over the last year, in anticipation that this feature would be added later. A very quick and handy to get things linked together. Terje (talk) 04:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC)---
- Smartdust and MKULTRA ; Nanobiotechnology and "COVID-19/Vaccine" Terje (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2022 (UTC)---
- Is it not? I thought so. Anyway, Billionaire is concept, but has interest Transhumanism and social control. One could make it group but that is beside the point, I think it is a good way to bring topics together, ie linking them - Transhumanism being very good example, others not so good since not exactly in the logic of the sentence "xyz has an interest" (can have an interest) ... still the aspect of bringing stuff together prevails. -- Sunvalley (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, I should clarify, you are right that the SMW does link the data, but on a semantic level. Being able to automatically hyperlink related data is just a handy side effect. I'm not convinced that we need |interests for concepts by any of the examples you gave. i.e.
- Smartdust is not interested in MKULTRA. The converse might be true, but MKULTRA uses Template:Event, which already has this option
- Nanobiotechnology is not interested in "COVID-19/Vaccine". "COVID-19/Vaccine" is not interested in "Nanobiotechnology". If they are are an example of it (I'm no expert on either) |constitutes would apply
- Billionaire (the concept) is not interested in transhumanism or social control. Peter Thiel may be interested in both, and he may constitute a billionaire, but this is an indirect relationship, and one that we can already express with the existing SMW properties.
So while I don't rule out |interests for concepts per se, I didn't yet find a very convincing need for it. SMW is a very powerful system, and has a corresponding potential for complexity, which is one reason I have a preference for using fewer rather than more properties. -- Robin (talk) 18:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
