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* ''For talk prior to 2019, see the [[Talk:Main Page/Archive|archive]]''
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==2023==
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I've reverted the page back to the older format. As before it needs no maintenance and automatically display links to new content. An automatically generated "On this day" would combine these virtues with (semi-)topical content, but a higher priority is to try to get it to refresh more often (it currently takes a few days). I've just made it refresh by changing the 15 results to a 16.
  
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I've just refactored the source code for easier readability. In the process I've lost the orange (easily reinstated, but actually prefer just blue. I was never convinced orange was a good match:) but deliberately left it otherwise unchanged for now. However, since it's SMW based, adjusting the content should be a breeze. Issues to work on:
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Excluding the imageless pages remains an aim, a longer job that it should have been, because of the messy way I wrote the SMW templates. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 18:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
  
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* Lack of images
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Just to let you know [[user:terje]]: Robin and I have discussed changing the main page back permanently 1 on 1 to the new layout that you and me agreed on was better (while I had some other ideas as well), but Robin opposed it until further notice. As personal circumstances have prevented.. a new notice from him (to put it quite vague, on purpose), just know that I'm in favour of changing it back, but don't want to override Robin who is quite conservative on this although I pointed out that we were 300.000 down from last year in annual viewership. [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 23:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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* Inclusion of relative junk (e.g. [[Test/Main-page-panels]] - visitors don't want this)
 
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* Lack of structure (people, events, etc. all jumbled together, in a way this reflects the software structure, which doesn't interest people, not the semantic content which does)
 
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* Lack of details
 
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* Quite a lot of space used up - seems not good for small screen devices
 
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* Annoying "File:" at the start of the list of files
 
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* Lack of excitement?
 
  
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This is not an exhaustive list. I ''never'' use the main page. I wonder what it would take to make it helpful for me. I note a test page which includes image/video...
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:Either front page is fine; changing the format around from time to time makes the site look fresh. The main thing is that it is updated frequently, with exciting topics. As for the views, last year we were still riding high on "covid", with our [[WEF]/YGL]]s. For all I know, the censorship might have been intensified since then.  
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[[User:Terje|Terje]] ([[User talk:Terje|talk]]) 09:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
  
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[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 05:28, 27 June 2014 (IST)
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Although we've investigated the claims of increased censorship, Google is still responsible for 55-65% of referrals, with Chrome the browser itself at 50% too and even Twitter is responsible for like 30% if sorted by sites. The stats doesn't reflect the censorship. As we're still discussing communication methods, new MP interfaces, I'll end the year with the year-end review, just remove it after a week or so. [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 06:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  
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:I'm happy to leave any/all redesign work to you. I'll jump in as and when, either with edits, tweeks and suggestions but you are better at both coding and design then I. A few observations:
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==2022==
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:* I'm happy with just the blue too. I have a vast collection of icons that repeat in 4 different colours and that's what prompted the original design; thought it a bit clever - then :-)
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Thinking about how to make this page more attractive, how about modifying the SMW code to exclude pages without an image or logo? This might also have a side effect of encouraging editors to give new pages an image, which is good practice. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 18:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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:* Junk - agreed
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:Yes, is improvement. -- [[User:Sunvalley|Sunvalley]] ([[User talk:Sunvalley|talk]]) 18:50, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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:* Structure - currently based mainly on NS's + edits of Main NS - Seemed logical at the time but could be much better
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::What about putting "recent edits" more prominent, as a button in the row of "documents, concepts, groups,people,events,years, etc?
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:* I have a few different display devices and current layout is reasonable-ish on all of them. I never use a smart-phone sized one. I guess they are becoming more important and should be considered. However, there's a fine balance between cluttered and pleasing appearance - judicious use of blank space does contribute to the latter IMO but present layout hardly optimal. One other thing that stands out like a sore thumb is that the Footer/Policy section runs right off the rh edge on my lower resolution screen. I've been meaning to fix it by having it either use smaller fonts and/or more depth but its a bit complex and I keep shying away.
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:::And based on last year's question here, I thought it was just me... -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
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:* How to get rid of "File"? - must be a doddle
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How about some of the features that appear on the wikipedia main page. I think they could make the page more attractive and engaging; like featured articles/images, what's in the news etc. - [[User:UKpeacelibertyfreedom|UKpeacelibertyfreedom]] ([[User talk:UKpeacelibertyfreedom|talk]]) 23:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
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::::I've twice looked at this and recoiled in horror at so many [ and ]'s :-( Maybe time for another look... -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
  
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:Visitor stats show that main page is always among the top few page visits every day, though with less average time spent there. It '''IS''' therefore important even as it is. My main concern is content. I'd prefer to spend 99% of my WS time on it. To that end I've been frustrated at NOT being able to show video and pics with links on main page. I want to be able to draw quick visual attention to a burning topic du-jour, changeable quickly and easily without getting bogged down in coding every time its changed. That's what [[MPTest]] is about. I'll re-hash it using the new Main Page code, then feel free to dive in and tear it to bits (ie improve it) --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 06:41, 27 June 2014 (IST)
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:second the news section. Just use a format similar to our 2021 new years idea. Would really help more traffic imho. I could copy some fun facts e.g. birthdays to social media - injection needle theory or smth --[[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]])
  
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::'''More'''
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As we had two "aye" from me and [[User:UKpeacelibertyfreedom]], [[User:Robin]], there appears to be a positive consensus, but it appears you never gave us a answer. I do believe the new years [[2021]]>2022 try-out of this went good. I'd like to try it. If anyone objects, I'd like to hear it, otherwise I'll just see that as a green light, and we'll try it out sometime. --[[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 06:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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:: I use Feedly pro as my RSS reader. I scan a vast number of articles every day and tag maybe a dozen or so as worthy of proper review - reduced to maybe 6 on reading. I would like to be able to display the linked titles of those tagged article - probably on the Main page but certainly linked from there. Since I include new WS pages in the reader, tagging those would result in links to them too. I'm bogged down in the technicalities and may cry help --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 06:55, 27 June 2014 (IST)
 
  
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:::'''Even more'''
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:::The new front page design looks good and very fresh when viewed on a PC! Maybe the list of "latest edits" should be a bit more prominent, but no need to change that now.
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:::I'd also like to be able to put a simple bit of linked text on the main header where the site maintenance warning goes, in order to draw attention to some other cause du-jour. For example [[Denis Rancourt]] is a long-standing colleague who has just lost his 3 year long defamation case for a cool $1 million - [https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/denis-rancourt-legal-defence-fund/x/1311109 See here]. I want to link to that appeal. I'd like to be able to have the space blank or to show an appropriate link with brief detail and be over-ridden by the site maintenance warning when necessary - Simply!!! --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 07:06, 27 June 2014 (IST)
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[[User:Terje|Terje]] ([[User talk:Terje|talk]]) 09:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)---
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:::: Noted.
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PS: Refresh the page by pressing the refresh button. Changing that number in the source code doesn't work in current format. --[[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 12:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC).
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::::: I've added news cycle timelines along with our top 5 most viewed pages for this year under the permanent timeline, Terje wanted to add to Ukraine (and Robin to COVID-19) or some page this year. As visual images were a request from Robin as well. I'm trying to program the Semantic wiki to make everything smaller for Terje's request, but I'm time constrained and halting it here for this month. So. Feel free to help me make it smaller or edit it to your liking.
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Things I was thinking about for later; adding a monthly video to YT in a small preview box on the page. Sunvalley could maybe do that, or could be something we think needs to be seen this month. --[[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 12:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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=== How to refresh this page (Administrators only) ===
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Some edits to the source refresh this page. I just did it by changing '15' to '16'. I'm not sure why all edits don't refresh it. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 21:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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I'm able to refresh the main page just by clicking refresh, it seems. No probs whatsoever. --[[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]])
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Am I the only one able to refresh this by clicking refresh? I do have that feeling, seeing the main page only updated when I refresh it. --[[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 13:36, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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==2021==
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This has not been reliably rendering as a tabstrip for me 100% of the time. I think it's possibly browser dependent. Is it rendering OK for you? -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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:Actually, I do remember odd behavior for non-standard characters, or display of <ref> in unexpected places, such as properties. That might be it. Anyway: -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:21, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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* [[Chromium]] - 2021-07-27 - Top tab rendered above the rest, which are normally tabbed, so the page is twice as tall as it should be
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Are we gonna do a "happy new year" banner on the main page, and maybe smth like a news overview (similar to wikipedia?) similar to the "topics in the news" banner of this page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events? Or maybe copy the [[2021]] page for a 2 days? --[[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 12:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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:Good idea. Let's improve the [[2021]] page and link there. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 18:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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==2019==
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What does the title "Main Page" add to the coverpage? -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 10:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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:Nothing, but we're stuck with it just now. The <code>No Title</code> Extension crashes the site. There is probably a simple solution but I haven't looked for it yet --[[User:Peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 10:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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:Fixed --[[User:Peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 10:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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Is there a list of articles with no content in the bio? I am working on filling in missing bios but they are somewhat hard to ID. There are a lot of outstanding VIPs especially for the more recent bilderberg meetings. -- [[User:Dan|Dan]] ([[User talk:Dan|talk]]) 02:01, 18 August 2019 (EST)
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: We don't really do static lists, since it's too much work to maintain them. To generate live lists (this is how [[Template:SMWDocs]] works), you need to go to [[Special:Ask]], the interface to semantic querying. It's very flexible once you learn the syntax to type into the '''Condition''' box. Here are some to get started:
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: * Any page who describing a person: {{t|<nowiki>[[Has objectClass::Person]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Any page with less than 512 bytes of content: {{t|<nowiki>[[Has revisionSize::<<512]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Any page (i.e. anyone) who attended the [[2019 Bilderberg]]: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::Bilderberg/2019]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended 8 Bilderbergs: {{t|<nowiki> [[Has bilderbergCount::8]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended the 201? Bilderberg: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended any Bilderberg: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/*]]</nowiki>}}
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:These can be stacked, so for anyone who attended the Bilderberg since 2010, has attended at least 5 Bilderbergs, and has a page with less than 512 bytes of content:
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::  {{t|<nowiki>[[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]][[Has bilderbergCount::>5]][[Has revisionSize::<<512]]</nowiki>}}
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A good place to see what sort of queries are possible is at https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Selecting_pages Alternatively, if you've any particular queries you'd like to make, feel free to post to [[User_talk:Robin|my talk page]]. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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:: Another approach would be to make a project of giving each Bilderberger of interest a description (add {{t|<nowiki>{{!}}description=...</nowiki>}} to that person template at the top of the page). This sets the line of text that appears in the {{t|Participants}} section of each Bilderberg meeting, so it's easy to see who is missing a still description (most of them). -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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==Statistics broken==
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The statistics (Pwiki stats) are broken, and have been for a week now.
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[[User:Terje|Terje]] ([[User talk:Terje|talk]]) 23:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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Is this a browser cache issue? How are they broken? It looks OK to me. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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::How interesting. They don't work in my firefox, but can be seen just fine with other browsers!
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[[User:Terje|Terje]] ([[User talk:Terje|talk]]) 23:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 06:22, 30 December 2023

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2023

I've reverted the page back to the older format. As before it needs no maintenance and automatically display links to new content. An automatically generated "On this day" would combine these virtues with (semi-)topical content, but a higher priority is to try to get it to refresh more often (it currently takes a few days). I've just made it refresh by changing the 15 results to a 16.

Excluding the imageless pages remains an aim, a longer job that it should have been, because of the messy way I wrote the SMW templates. -- Robin (talk) 18:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Just to let you know user:terje: Robin and I have discussed changing the main page back permanently 1 on 1 to the new layout that you and me agreed on was better (while I had some other ideas as well), but Robin opposed it until further notice. As personal circumstances have prevented.. a new notice from him (to put it quite vague, on purpose), just know that I'm in favour of changing it back, but don't want to override Robin who is quite conservative on this although I pointed out that we were 300.000 down from last year in annual viewership. Jun (talk) 23:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Either front page is fine; changing the format around from time to time makes the site look fresh. The main thing is that it is updated frequently, with exciting topics. As for the views, last year we were still riding high on "covid", with our [[WEF]/YGL]]s. For all I know, the censorship might have been intensified since then.

Terje (talk) 09:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Although we've investigated the claims of increased censorship, Google is still responsible for 55-65% of referrals, with Chrome the browser itself at 50% too and even Twitter is responsible for like 30% if sorted by sites. The stats doesn't reflect the censorship. As we're still discussing communication methods, new MP interfaces, I'll end the year with the year-end review, just remove it after a week or so. Jun (talk) 06:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

2022

Thinking about how to make this page more attractive, how about modifying the SMW code to exclude pages without an image or logo? This might also have a side effect of encouraging editors to give new pages an image, which is good practice. -- Robin (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, is improvement. -- Sunvalley (talk) 18:50, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
What about putting "recent edits" more prominent, as a button in the row of "documents, concepts, groups,people,events,years, etc?
And based on last year's question here, I thought it was just me... -- Robin (talk) 22:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

How about some of the features that appear on the wikipedia main page. I think they could make the page more attractive and engaging; like featured articles/images, what's in the news etc. - UKpeacelibertyfreedom (talk) 23:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I've twice looked at this and recoiled in horror at so many [ and ]'s :-( Maybe time for another look... -- Robin (talk) 17:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
second the news section. Just use a format similar to our 2021 new years idea. Would really help more traffic imho. I could copy some fun facts e.g. birthdays to social media - injection needle theory or smth --Jun (talk)

As we had two "aye" from me and User:UKpeacelibertyfreedom, User:Robin, there appears to be a positive consensus, but it appears you never gave us a answer. I do believe the new years 2021>2022 try-out of this went good. I'd like to try it. If anyone objects, I'd like to hear it, otherwise I'll just see that as a green light, and we'll try it out sometime. --Jun (talk) 06:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

The new front page design looks good and very fresh when viewed on a PC! Maybe the list of "latest edits" should be a bit more prominent, but no need to change that now.

Terje (talk) 09:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)---

Noted.

PS: Refresh the page by pressing the refresh button. Changing that number in the source code doesn't work in current format. --Jun (talk) 12:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC).

I've added news cycle timelines along with our top 5 most viewed pages for this year under the permanent timeline, Terje wanted to add to Ukraine (and Robin to COVID-19) or some page this year. As visual images were a request from Robin as well. I'm trying to program the Semantic wiki to make everything smaller for Terje's request, but I'm time constrained and halting it here for this month. So. Feel free to help me make it smaller or edit it to your liking.

Things I was thinking about for later; adding a monthly video to YT in a small preview box on the page. Sunvalley could maybe do that, or could be something we think needs to be seen this month. --Jun (talk) 12:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


How to refresh this page (Administrators only)

Some edits to the source refresh this page. I just did it by changing '15' to '16'. I'm not sure why all edits don't refresh it. -- Robin (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm able to refresh the main page just by clicking refresh, it seems. No probs whatsoever. --Jun (talk)

Am I the only one able to refresh this by clicking refresh? I do have that feeling, seeing the main page only updated when I refresh it. --Jun (talk) 13:36, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

2021

This has not been reliably rendering as a tabstrip for me 100% of the time. I think it's possibly browser dependent. Is it rendering OK for you? -- Robin (talk) 14:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I do remember odd behavior for non-standard characters, or display of <ref> in unexpected places, such as properties. That might be it. Anyway: -- Robin (talk) 16:21, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Chromium - 2021-07-27 - Top tab rendered above the rest, which are normally tabbed, so the page is twice as tall as it should be

Are we gonna do a "happy new year" banner on the main page, and maybe smth like a news overview (similar to wikipedia?) similar to the "topics in the news" banner of this page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events? Or maybe copy the 2021 page for a 2 days? --Jun (talk) 12:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Good idea. Let's improve the 2021 page and link there. -- Robin (talk) 18:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

2019

What does the title "Main Page" add to the coverpage? -- Robin (talk) 10:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Nothing, but we're stuck with it just now. The No Title Extension crashes the site. There is probably a simple solution but I haven't looked for it yet --Peter (talk) 10:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Fixed --Peter (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Is there a list of articles with no content in the bio? I am working on filling in missing bios but they are somewhat hard to ID. There are a lot of outstanding VIPs especially for the more recent bilderberg meetings. -- Dan (talk) 02:01, 18 August 2019 (EST)

We don't really do static lists, since it's too much work to maintain them. To generate live lists (this is how Template:SMWDocs works), you need to go to Special:Ask, the interface to semantic querying. It's very flexible once you learn the syntax to type into the Condition box. Here are some to get started:
* Any page who describing a person: [[Has objectClass::Person]]
* Any page with less than 512 bytes of content: [[Has revisionSize::<<512]]
* Any page (i.e. anyone) who attended the 2019 Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::Bilderberg/2019]]
* Anyone who attended 8 Bilderbergs: [[Has bilderbergCount::8]]
* Anyone who attended the 201? Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]]
* Anyone who attended any Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/*]]
These can be stacked, so for anyone who attended the Bilderberg since 2010, has attended at least 5 Bilderbergs, and has a page with less than 512 bytes of content:
[[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]][[Has bilderbergCount::>5]][[Has revisionSize::<<512]]

A good place to see what sort of queries are possible is at https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Selecting_pages Alternatively, if you've any particular queries you'd like to make, feel free to post to my talk page. -- Robin (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Another approach would be to make a project of giving each Bilderberger of interest a description (add {{!}}description=... to that person template at the top of the page). This sets the line of text that appears in the Participants section of each Bilderberg meeting, so it's easy to see who is missing a still description (most of them). -- Robin (talk) 20:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Statistics broken

The statistics (Pwiki stats) are broken, and have been for a week now. Terje (talk) 23:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Is this a browser cache issue? How are they broken? It looks OK to me. -- Robin (talk) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

How interesting. They don't work in my firefox, but can be seen just fine with other browsers!

Terje (talk) 23:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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