Document:Arsen Avakov interview 5 September 2014
In Avakov's Eyes Killing People is a Small Price for Nazification of Ukraine and Suppressing the Revolt of Oligarchs' "Slaves"
Just before midnight on 5 September, thus only some five hours after the introduction of the strange and politically problematic ceasefire agreed upon in Minsk on the same day, Arsen Avakov  gave a TV interview. He came to the interview from the session of the inner security circle of the junta itself. Evidently, a key topic of the briefing of the security strongmen of the junta was planning, strategy and a course action with respect to the "ceasefire." The ceasefire was also, consequently, the topic which opened the interview.
In this case, Avakov's fatigue, arrogance, and insider's knowledge all combined to reveal not only the character of this Nazi oligarch, but also much of the character of the current oligarchic regime in Kiev, which came to power through "the February revolution," as Avakov dubbed the Maidan putsch in this interview.
The interview is thus very revealing and also very instructive. How do you know when you talk to a Nazi? Avakov shows how. He is in charge of the ministry of interior, hence also the police. In addition, he is also in charge of the so-called National Guard, which is formed as storm troopers or junta's special forces. These battalions are formed of people who sign up for strictly political and ideological reasons. That's why the Azov battalion with explicit Nazi symbolism is one of them.
The so-called ceasefire
On the subject of the ceasefire, Avakov had to say right off the following: "The agreed ceasefire is nothing but a clever cunning on our part in order to achieve what we want, which is to win." To this effect, the ceasefire is but a small tactical measure; the strategic goal is to overthrow "Putin, the tyrant" and to change the system of Russia itself. This real greater objective and the current war in Ukraine were "planned for years and even for decades." If so, then the personality of Putin is used both as a cover and symbolic shortcut for this decades-old plan.
However, "the current balance [in Donbass with the rebels on the attack] is absurd." The junta's and its handlers' expectation was that the uprising in Donbass would have been defeated by now. That's what Avakov himself stated some three weeks ago in a similar interview. However, what happened in the meantime, according to Avakov, dramatically changed the situation. Avakov claims that Russia introduced its own heavily armed troops into the conflict. The situation thus radically changed in the course of August when "Russia inserted 6-7 battalions with 4-7,000 troops." Without this Russian aid, "we would have won by now," Avakov argues.
According to Avakov, any recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics as autonomous, administrative, or political entities is completely out of question. For Avakov and the junta, the republics are "terrorist" organizations, "bandits." "I don't think," he said, "that any agreements made [by Kiev] will [ever] recognize the Donetsk or Lugansk Republic." In his view, there is, therefore, "nothing for [the junta] to talk about with these DNR and LNR bandits." Or as he also put it:, the junta sees the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics as nothing but "bandits who serve global interests of the empire of evil," which is for him Russia.
Avakov also sees the talk about federalization merely as empty chatter or a necessary ruse: All the talk about "federalization," Avakov claims, was made up by Merkel. Federalization is out of question, and talk about it has no substance, in fact.
De facto confession to the Odessa massacre or How does a Nazi oligarch differ from a normal oligarch?
According to Avakov, himself an oligarch in his own right, comrade oligarch Akhmetov could have and should have suppressed the revolt of his Donetsk slaves in the beginning, but he didn't see the danger and what should have been done clearly enough. Indeed, Avakov called the people in Donbass who rose up against the Banderite junta "slaves"--"slaves of their oligarchs."
In Avakov's Nazi oligarchic eyes, the working people and miners of Donbass are "vatniks"--called so after the winter jackets worn by and popular with Red Army soldiers. Ukrainian Banderites and Nazi nationalists are now using the expression as a blanket derogatory term for the Russians and pro-Russian Ukrainians. For these Ukrainian Nazis, "vatniks" is a colloquial way for calling the Russians and the granddaughters and grandsons of the victors in the Great Patriotic War against Nazism "subhumans." And, faithfully to Nazism, for Avakov, "vatnik" and "subhuman" means a slave (rab).
The Donbass people--these "vatniks" who dared to stand up to new Banderism and the oligarchic junta--are from Avakov's point of view, "poor, not very rich, low paid, uneducated, without perspective or understanding, they cannot change or adapt and are clueless about the benefits of true European civilization." According to Avakov, they are slaves who, moreover, "liked to be slaves--to their Donbass oligarchs such as Yanukovich, Akhmetov and others ... for years they have thus been exploited as slaves by the oligarchic regime." But then "something happened" with these oligarchic slaves and some of them "decided to play Robin Hoods and to rebel."
In March copying the methods of the Nazi oligarchs and their US and EU-supported Maidan, these slaves then seized and occupied some police and administrative buildings in Kharkov, Donetsk, and Lugansk, and launched "massive demonstrations." Avakov was put in charge of suppressing this slave revolt in Kharkov where he was successful by sending in special forces that cleared the administrative building and arrested some 70 people, thus doing the very thing, which the West pressed upon Yanukovich not to do to the Maidan protesters.
According to Avakov, in Donetsk and Lugansk, more decisive measures were needed and they were not implemented. As Avakov explicitly put it, the administrative building and the protesters in it should have been destroyed with explosives. Failing to do so was the big "mistake of the oligarchs such as Akhmetov."
In his own words:
"Had we destroyed the admin building in Donetsk, 50 people would have died, but we would have saved Donetsk [for junta]"--(at 21:50 of the interview).
In a modified version, this is what the junta did to the Antimaidan protesters in Odessa during the so-called Odessa Massacre on May 2, 2014 when hundreds of the Odessites were hoarded into the Trade Union Building and then, when inside, massacred by Nazi battalions and activists, who were further directly assisted by the Odessa police--under Avakov's and other junta leaders' direction.
When it comes to the demands made by these Donbass "slaves," Avakov expressed his own confidence that these people from east Ukraine "have already their [sufficient] representation in [him]." What else do they need ... then one murderous, arrogant Nazi?
Avakov also expressed his conviction that, in his view, none of these oligarchic slaves "would ever be able to defeat him in a discussion."
While the US and the EU have been trying to help these new Nazis in Europe as much as they could, for Avakov, that was not enough. "The West is cynical," he said, "and is giving us nothing."
Yet Avakov was undoubtedly right when he said: "The current conflict will last years because it was planned for years and even for decades."
This is, indeed, a serious, fundamental conflict. In comparison, the war in the former Yugoslavia in the early 1990s was just a fight among really mad neighbors. What is happening in Ukraine is much graver and also many times more dangerous.
- Arsen Avakov (politician) - Wikipedia page