Talk:Independent media

I was hoping to make a list of media that are not part of the corporate system and are not gatekeepers/controlled opposition. For example The Real News or Unlimited Hangout.

I don't know if this exists already on Wikispooks.

Terje (talk)---

Media that get's constituted Corporate media/Commercially-controlled media is already labeled. You could just create a "media" page and redirect non-corporate media to there. Just an opinion on this: Doesn't labelling it specifically "independent media" would make us misuse media as enemy image? Like for example PBS, ARTE the BBC are all legally independent in their countries but they didn't use to have the same political stances. A lot could be done in their articles to show how even investigative journalists' programs on those channels were silenced. Just labelling some independent media would make people not look through the 40 seasons of Frontline anymore before it followed the official narrative IMO. Wouldn't we be listing a reversed PropOrNot/List"? I don't think that's a good idea. Limited hangouts are still a thing on "legacy media" and they can contain viable info. Even to this day, they're still trying to remove any link to the missile theory of TWA Flight 800 on Wikipedia and they still haven't succeeded. Anyway. Let me know what you think. Jun (talk)

Corporate media is a very negative label already. I'm looking for a more mature term to list what used to be called alternative media, maybe 200 of them on Wikispooks. Labeling them 'media' (as opposed to 'corporate media') is already making a value judgement, and they might as well be labelled independent media. There is always the problem of the compromised alternative media: Counterpunch, Democracy Now! etc, that borders on gatekeepers.Terje (talk)---

Maybe gatekeeper media could be worth making, as distinct from from gatekeeper? I've just edited the page, with the result that Template:SMWDocs has done its magic. I think this is a good page to work on, as we likely have a much clearer idea on what status different media outlets are. Another starting point is the PropOrNot/List (on which this website features). -- Robin (talk) 14:22, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The Gatekeeper media-page sound solid, On the concern of borderline-gatekeepers: A few independent media also becoming (partial) gatekeepers, as sites like the 21st Century Wire do (https://21stcenturywire.com/tag/trump/) follow the legacy media's polarizing perspective on a few specific topics like Trump, Maybe we should label them gatekeeping media and independent? Opinions? Jun (talk)

Well, we all have our blindspots. I was disappointed to see WhoWhatWhy not taking a more critical look at some of the big events of 2020, but I wouldn't call them "gatekeepers". So I'd recommend reserving the invidious term "gatekeeper" for the willfully blind, possibly just as "gatekeeper?" until there is evidence of willful ignorance. -- Robin (talk) 18:26, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

P.S Please sign correctly, i.e. with user and date. Show preview is a good way to check if you're not sure. I use two minuses (--) and then four tildes (~~~~).

Dear me, I keep doing that inconsistently. Apologies. I'll place your instruction on my own page as a reminder. On the subject of gatekeeping. I'm satisfied with reserving the term for the willfully blind.--Jun (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)