Template talk:Main-content

Page Maintenance

I've just created this page as a way of separating presentation from content. It if becomes a regular thing, it would be good to have a history of the content separate from how that content was presented. -- Robin (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Original idea

The original idea of 'on this day...' was to set up automatically changing content that was generated from the SMW content, in line with the site's general approach of future proofing through low maintenance -- however, it proved harder than I had hoped to do that. Anyway, if there is sufficient personnel and interest to regularly curate front pages by hand, that would likely be even better. -- Robin (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I was toying around and figured this was the closest I'd get to a news section for now. I tried to check if I'd automate it to set it up, but calculating how long I'd take for automatic stuff to pop up (poor Terje fixing all the stubs, wait until we fire off the discussion about the content again) when I re-programmed (in simplistic terms said) the SMW, bugged me off for now. I'd figure, when we fix the stubs, and in particular, the dates of events, we can automate a lot better.

At this point, I'm just checking interest and watching pwiki. I'm planning of making a new one next month and looking at our traffic, bounce & exit rates to see how this goes. Maybe it needs some help from a AMA or questionnaire on social media to tap into new users, as I've seen most of our visitors are kind of set in their mindset and what they wanna look up and see. (WEF, 9/11, COVID, news cycle stuff) Also user:terje's idea of timelines was a great one I'd like to try out before that or after a month of "beta-ing" this. But like with everything, I'm really time constrained, so don't expect newly programmed breakthrough for the SMW for now. --Jun (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Images and text

Topical links may be good; I see the point of linking in related topics. I'd rather the front page doesn't look too ragged, but as long as you're checking interest and watching pwiki, it should only be for a few days until you find things that people like. We are all much better at navigating here that people who randomly turned up, so the idea of us manually present interesting rabbit holes to people makes good sense.

I was going to suggest (got distracted with everything else) a way to handle different screen widths but also use thumbnails:

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-- Robin (talk) 20:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Cheers. Gonna check this out.

PSA: Some deaths don't work with the OnthisDay template. Dunno why. I'm trying to Occam Razor this and think the SMW didn't update to June yet, so let's wait it out, I added some YT vids just to include some deaths. --Jun (talk) 02:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Content

Terje's idea does work, I keep getting DM'd on social media about the visual active subjects I uploaded last month. Like the visual timelines. The thumbnails should become a staple in my opinion with more current YT links. --Jun (talk) 06:10, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

June

Maybe added 1 video (the embedded one) too much, but November (the right time to use it) is still far away, and my summer is my off time. Maybe I'll remove that HBO vid when it doesn't garner clicks. Just some stats now. Last month and May were the most visited months since September 2020. Page views credited to main page inclusion were; -- Bilderberg 2022 meeting (200+) -- Attemped Coup of LPONH page (+250) -- 2021_Washington_D.C. Riots - +87 -- Trump +112 -- Uvalde shooting (this was also in part from my LINKS EVERYWHERE format) +116

A boost from Reddit of 200 more for the Bilderberg meeting over one post, and a boost of 40 for The Paypal mafia was also recorded.

Interesting stats; Bing appears to not de-rank us as we appear much more often in their searches. (Google uses our friends from Business insider and sites like propornot and off-guardian, but also region-limited) Twitter accounted for the third biggest referral, showing a need to increase that engagement of us I think alongside Telegram. Further sites that linked to us were -- Yandex (mostly because of Patrick lancaster and Jacob Dreizin) -- Facebook (989) -- Reddit (over 450 clicks for June alone) -- Qwant (262) (I had to look it up) -- Chinese Bing (200) -- 4chan. (120)

Interesting others are the Gateway Pundit, Sonar21, Zerohedge and Expose-news.com. Most users are still using Google Chrome, the leader in stealing information. Google was still responsible for over 10% of all forwarding to us by google searches. DDG second with the rest following by 10.000s of views. Most of views were for Russian-Ukraine war pundits such as Berletic, Lancaster, Christoforou and Dreizin. After that, most viewed pages appear to be the ones promoted by twitter and friendly sites, three sorts are most liked; II-members. VIPeadophile victims. Youtube "alt right"/"right-wing" pundits. I'm trying to figure out how to play into that, any opinions would be appreciated.

I'm still trying to shift to more US based content, but we need to unstub more hcards for the automatic system to work. Hence this old HBO video. Idea for next month is to revert to the old format for a month if the RUS-UKR war continues to turtle to a stalemate, and see what happens with engagement through the MP. --Jun (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

July - August - September

Plan from last month is going active now. For testing reasons, let's use the old main page and the August visitors as “control group” and go one whole month with the old MP. Stats for this month are found here;

Last 3 months were amongst the top 5 of best 3 months in terms of amount of visitors. I'd say it's good, better than the old main page, but not awesome yet. I expect the monthly visitors to drop below 30k for the first half and 55k for the entire month. I'd expected… with the new format the visitor count to stay above 70k. If the amount of visitors drops below 60k for the full month of August or 25k after 15 days, we can say the new main page is a success (error margin is 2k I reckon). If anyone feels this test is not needed, feel welcome to comment down below. --Jun (talk) 02:03, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

No change in number of visitors after 5 days...I still think the updated front page was in order.

Terje (talk) 05:34, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Cause of the outrage, projecting the last week the number we would have hit would've been 70k. I looked at the exit and bounce ratios for the main page instead. And they actually showed a 1 to 3 per cent increase for the new main page format. So data shows it the main page gets the other pages fewer viewers. Of course, scientifically speaking, 1 to 3 per cent is within the margin of error. So I would like the new page back, but I would like suggestions for formatting or ideas for what kind of content to place there (see the test pages for examples).

If you want to just get the old page back without new ideas because you believe the idea Terje, please confirm, I won't object. --Jun (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The problem with the old design is that it does not present our best sides, but tends to be a collection of stubs and random boring pages. I support the new design. I am sure it can be further improved. What about a bigger and more centrally placed search box? or the random article box? Terje (talk)

I was asked to say something: So if you found that another layer of articles (the thing on top) was worth the effort, then I'm all for it, only: should be fitting with the layout and not look/be overloaded - as a guidance to interesting articles this is good idea at any rate. -- Sunvalley (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

It should be possible to add that, if not mediawiki, then by external (google) plugin like ISGP does. Automating the main on this day page, would need some testing. Robin tested that long ago, there were too many stubs or wrongly formatted content (in hcards or smth) IIRC. I'll research it. What could be improved with the search bar btw? And how about using one or two of the boxes on this main page version *replacing them with a random article): https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Test:Main-page-panels Jun (talk) 19:27, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Bigger search box only Robin can do I found out. I can only add one to the sidebar for example. Current idea is just to permanentl put the 3 most visited top pages, and a 4th video in the new format. I say permanently cuz the top 3 pages don't change. The historic angle I used has very little effect say the numbers, and the more visual timeline version, Robin opposed (although it was very popular on Reddit, still sad about that one). I'm waiting for input of one user I tagged and checking if the subpages SMWQ is working. We'll still need to do something about not using the dates for hcards and )cons correctly, otherwise, the format will never be automated. Anyone willing to try and show me their ideas on a test page? Jun (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2022 (UTC).

Spring Equinox update

Added a second video, as we're still stuck on not-growing and I can't keep financially supporting the site forever as some kind of oligarch, as I've said in our private conversations my fellow guide-masters. This is my idea, if anyone has a better one. Feel free to do it. But be aware, if numbers don't show your idea to be better, I'll probably change it back or hand this volunteer responsibility I've been tasked with to someone else. Jun (talk) 14:39, 14 November 2022 (UT

Christmas update

Numbers stable, not improving, reached out to a few experts and possible liaisons. Jun (talk) 00:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC) Maybe start click-baiting more.

January

I'm not gonna touch this page until February myself, as numbers have been taking a sharp rise last few weeks and I feel something will happen in the coming weeks. Edit it yourself if that's too long. Jun (talk) 19:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

February

Updated for now. Will not update it until I get a clear consensus, as we discussed. I stil have the opinion my media strategy would be more far-reaching. But until I get the get go, we´ll follow the majority. Jun (talk) 19:59, 31 Feb 2023 (UTC)

March/April

Updated. Moving the goal-line slightly: Following the realization that majority is not needed, as I seem to be the only one doing this.... I'll completely cease updating this until we can reevaluate the ... wording of our main page, in our private meetings. Jun (talk) 10:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Jun, I thought the main page was "leave as be", only to be changed once a month...

Terje (talk) 10:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

It was. Last time was 24 Feb, but I think you missed our discussion there and are referring to something else I can't grasp: We had a discussion on our main core "offline" group on that "other online medium". I'd advise you to read up on that. Jun (talk) 10:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you be more specific to which "other online medium"? I am not subscribing to messages from anywhere except the public talk pages right here.Terje (talk) 12:28, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Robin said you were part of our "executive" group in a mobile group app... I think he added you, and you forgot during our last lawsuit. I'm not at liberty to say the name and you never have responded to my e-mail... so... ask him to add you if you're really not in it, as only he can add you. Jun (talk) 13:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

https://wikispooks.com/piwik/index.php?module=CoreHome&action=index&idSite=1&period=month&date=2022-07-01#?module=Dashboard&action=embeddedIndex&idSite=1&period=month&date=2022-07-01&idDashboard=1