Talk:Russia/Encirclement

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According to our internal data this page is the most clicked link on the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine page. Please try to add to this page. --Jun (talk) 15:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thx Jun. I repeat that I think that Russia was cornered, its militar action was provoced and I think Putin was aware of this. He visits Davos and Munich conferences (not 2021? though). I expect that increased military spending has a stabilizing effect on the monetary system and stock markets in the long run - as sarcastic as it may sound. I expect a split of Ukraine where NATO intervenes and occupies the west with a tacit agreement between US and Russia not to use nuclear weapons. Bio weapons are an option - for the US (and their WHO). The UN full assembly might vote for US led "peace forces". The commercially-controlled media will produce fearporn and dramatize the situation, although the actual war will be limited to pre-determined outcomes. That's my take on it. I could provide sources and citations for these views. Urban (talk) 07:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

The timing makes me suspicious -- as we suggested in January 2022, it makes a very convenient change for a worn out Covid narrative. -- Robin (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Yep. I too suspect a link in timing. From what I see in southern Europe the COVID ON is up and well, however. Putin might not survive politically if something "goes wrong" (i.e. Ukraine is partitioned in a western and eastern hemisphere). If I were in Gates place I would see to it that some bio hazard in Ukraine would be announced, too... There are reports of bio weapons labs run by the West in Ukraine and testing on the Ukraine people (http://dilyana.bg/documents-expose-us-biological-experiments-on-allied-soldiers-in-ukraine-and-georgia/). Just rumors? Who knows. Urban (talk) 16:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

... and Kit Knightly asks: "Isn’t it amazing what you can almost miss when you’re distracted by a war?" in: https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/26/who-planning-new-pandemic-treaty-for-2024 . Urban (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Removing content

I will remove the following by Urban:

Francis Boyle argued

that Russia was cornered, its 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine provoked and Putin was aware of this and the possible intervention of "UN peace forces" (led by NATO).

The link given is an article from 2014, they way the sentence is formed it does not exactly make sense (since the interview was 2014), "intervention of "UN peace forces" " - I do not read that, the only thing matching from the article is:

"I think president Putin and his National Security Council, as you know they met last week, are trying to sort all this out. You know, it could be, President Putin might decide to try to stabilize the situation in Ukraine. He might decide that he doesn’t really want a civil war in Ukraine right on the borders with Russia."

needs some rewording or proper link. -- Sunvalley (talk) 18:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Earliest mention of "peace force" I see is by Jaroslaw Kaczynski, on March 15th 2022. --Sunvalley (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Lede /Description

I tend to switch around the current lede with the current description. -- Sunvalley (talk) 21:17, 7 October 2022 (UTC)