Talk:Operation Gladio/B
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Why is there an image of Ronald Reagan? This is surely the wrong era? - Robin (talk) 04:03, 3 November 2015 (GMT)
"The CIA's Gladio B carried out 9-11."
What is there by way of documentation for this? If this wasn't in the (plain text only) description, I'd have added a " [Citation Needed]". Such outspoken claims deserve a highly convincing and coherent set of evidence. Robin (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2014 (IST)
- I think the whole article is far too explicit in its assignment of a name to a specific CIA operation. The name (concept) was dubbed as such by Sibel Edmonds as an eye-catching way of illustrating how the use of pseudo-gangs (or counter-gangs) has continued beyond the already well-understood original structures known as 'Gladio'. The name (both original and it's 'B' derivative) were never CIA-originated operation names other than of the specifically Italian mafia-like set-up. They are both useful generic descriptions of terrorist attacks carried out by NATO/CIA controlled Pseudo or Counter-gangs but 'Gladio-B' as a name is certainly not CIA originated. --Peter P (talk) 11:23, 7 August 2014 (IST)
- Hello, although i have now removed the text I was refering to the CIA's role in Gladio B. Because this is a NATO operation. Mainly led by U.S. intelligence And I was preferring to this excerpt of the text as evidence of this. "Other operatives were also flown, on US Intelligence orders, to Turkey a major base of the operation, to train and prepare to participate in these operations - locations where, Edmonds reported, some of the 9/11 hijackers were being trained." Also this quote from former president of italy who revealed the original operation gladio Franceso Cossiga "all democratic circles in America and of Europe, especially those of the Italian centre-left, now know that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world, to place the blame on Arab countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan".-TruthSeeker611 (talk) 4:58 8 August 2014 (EST)
- TS - Don't be put off by my criticism. At least we now have an important article up thanks to you. My point is that Gladio-B should probably not be construed as an official CIA or NATO term. It is better understood as a catch-all for the continuing use of the 'counter-gang' methodology perfected by Frank Kitson during the Mau Mau insurgency against British rule in the 1950's and rolled out throughout Western Europe thereafter. I suggest you incorporate some of your above comment as a reference. --Peter P (talk) 08:33, 9 August 2014 (IST)
- Hello, although i have now removed the text I was refering to the CIA's role in Gladio B. Because this is a NATO operation. Mainly led by U.S. intelligence And I was preferring to this excerpt of the text as evidence of this. "Other operatives were also flown, on US Intelligence orders, to Turkey a major base of the operation, to train and prepare to participate in these operations - locations where, Edmonds reported, some of the 9/11 hijackers were being trained." Also this quote from former president of italy who revealed the original operation gladio Franceso Cossiga "all democratic circles in America and of Europe, especially those of the Italian centre-left, now know that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world, to place the blame on Arab countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan".-TruthSeeker611 (talk) 4:58 8 August 2014 (EST)
I tend to remove 2017 Refugee False Flag from Gladio B, seems to me more like a local mishap/fuck-up, there is a lot reach of state intelligence into neo-nazi circles, but I don't see the bigger connection here. This is all very murky and stupid, or so it appears. -- Sunvalley (talk) 00:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- This is more a general false flag suspect to convince Germans/Austrians that there is a terrorist threat. Comparable to the underware bomber. The theme heard is "terrorist hides weapons in the closet (or worse)" or something along these lines. Gladio? Well, not quite, perhaps. Urban (talk) 13:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- The connection is the lost and found Arabic ID linking it to Arabic false flags, that's why it's Gladiio B. The trend is Muslim/Jihad false flags. I would prefer placing it back. If there was no posing as Arabs I'd agree with user:sunvalley, but I don't think that's the case. If the details of the case aren't clear, we could try to get more details on this case or find more stories like this to better understand this trend. --Jun (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Only to clarify, this German, Franco A., did not posses a Syrian ID, he just said he is so and so from Aleppo in French.* The question is if he was guided by an agency, it appears to me rather not.
- - *for which he was recognized as refugee from there by the authority, at least there is no reporting about him having a Syrian ID, don't see any
- -- Sunvalley (talk) 18:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The connection is the lost and found Arabic ID linking it to Arabic false flags, that's why it's Gladiio B. The trend is Muslim/Jihad false flags. I would prefer placing it back. If there was no posing as Arabs I'd agree with user:sunvalley, but I don't think that's the case. If the details of the case aren't clear, we could try to get more details on this case or find more stories like this to better understand this trend. --Jun (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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I'm watching a Dutch documentary on Gladio 1 and the guy that was the liaison for the Belgium Gladio weapons linked to Dutch Gladio was arrested. His weapons were found in the hands of the suspected operators of the 2004 Madrid attacks. Need to save this, as this is a very good link. Jun (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Who?
Have we got a name for that guy? I made some for figures in Alan Francovich's film. Making pages for these people is a good antidote to the system flushing them down the memory hole, and if other people are busy doing that then anyone searching on that name can find our page floats to the top of the results. The 2004 Madrid train bombings are pretty suspect already, what with the CMX-04 exercise which anticipated killing 200 people, finishing just a few hours before the bombings. -- Robin (talk) 15:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Woops, I edited in the main page and took it out, bot forget to place it here, because we were translating the Dutch doc.
Jean Marie Creton is the name, here he is mentioned; https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf27022007_121 He has an extremely low profile, he mostly is only named at the Belgian Gladio research forum here; https://www.bendevannijvel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=557&p=13 (linked to several Gladio linked Belgians, including one that matched the DNA profile of the Westland New Post attack on Delhaize in Aalst. According to the Court of Justice in Belgium, he went missing in 2002, being wanted for running a weapons smuggling network with 13 others. How he still was arrested in 2007 in Belgium just an hour away from Liege for the Madrid connection only fuels the suspicions from the main page doc. Jun (talk) Adding those names I something that forum really will help me with in the future, and Creton is already top 5 result here just after one day, showing that giving them their page would be great indeed. I hope you do remember the years of led "incident" we had though.
