Talk:COVID-19/Pathology

Hello Urban, you edited out those things that Dr Vogt listed as exceptional. I actually do not think that this is manipulative from his side and that some hospitals are having this situation, some of it may be engineered. But at any rate, to understand the lockdown situation I guess it is good to have this viewpoint in here as well. I forgot to mention the source, which is here. So would you agree to put it back in? -- Sunvalley (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

1) nothing he said is actually exceptional about the diagnosis. In fact, COVID-19 can not be distinguished from flu by looking at symptoms, to my knowledge. If your immune system is in bad shape you may get pneumonia -- same as flu. 2) The situation in hospitals is a consequence of hysterical reactions, it has nothing to do with COVID-19, IMHO, and today it has drastically calmed down. 3) The presentation with bullets gives his 'arguments' (see 1) a prominent place.

I read his emotional opinion piece; I think he doesn't tell the truth. He is in panic mode, infected by hysteria, like I was, too. The rest of this piece is lies, propaganda, plain and simple. Spare me the time to go through each and every detail. He says we don't know -- so HE TELLS US WHAT TO BELIEVE and the date is April, 7. We already knew then.

We know a lot by now. We know lethality, R0 and that hospitals aren't overcrowded. He is either stupid or manipulative. He tells us upfront he is going to debunk 'conspiracies' (he does not use the term) about this orchestrated event. He is 'concerned' about different views, with 'best intentions'. And off he goes. Page after page. This is COINTELPRO style. Counter criticism before it rises high. I appreciate your efforts and this guy is really sophisticated. The best place to put it would be under 'suspicious public relations'. And at the end he gets prophetic: the next pandemic is coming! Soon! A super-virus is approaching, so better get prepared. His foundation... would be interesting to check out his connections to see if he is funded by Billy or public health institutes. And then create a page for this chap. -- Urban 24 November 2024

Urban - Only to clarify, I do not buy what the guys says either, and I do not cite his whole argument about it all being severe, so you don't have to debunk it all. He makes a point that hospitals are overwhelmed and the things that he puts up in his list of 8 points I assume do/ or did exist (at least in some hospitals / imho). It would be much better if we could see some numbers or if the press would report on the issue of hospitals working at capacity vs those that are empty but it will not happen, so some extra explanation follows what people on the ground are seeing (in those cases all empty). If you listen to the video in the first link above, however, that sounds like honest opinion and confirmation that some hospitals are under pressure, if only a small percentage of all.

I have no clue about symptoms indistinguishable or not but what this Dr Kyle-Sidell said about oxygen deprivation seemed to be new, from listening to a few of his videos I also felt that the situation in NYC may be more severe. But yes, overall this blown out of proportions, it is engineered and people should be able to decide freely without being trampled over by Gates. -- Sunvalley (talk) 01:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)