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{{Yellowbox|'''<big>Welcome to the WikiSpooks Community discussion page.</big>'''<hr/>''This is the place for Wikispooks discussions which relate to the site as a whole, rather than just particular pages.<br/> All Wikispooks editors are encouraged to contribute thoughts relevant to developing the software and community behind the Wikispooks project.''}} | {{Yellowbox|'''<big>Welcome to the WikiSpooks Community discussion page.</big>'''<hr/>''This is the place for Wikispooks discussions which relate to the site as a whole, rather than just particular pages.<br/> All Wikispooks editors are encouraged to contribute thoughts relevant to developing the software and community behind the Wikispooks project.''}} | ||
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| − | === | + | ===Subpages=== |
| − | + | More standardisation might improve their utility. | |
| − | * | + | * Integration with SMW. e.g. A fixed set of subpages which could be interpreted by software if found ".../murder", ".../perpetrators" etc. |
| − | * | + | * .../Quotes - for quotations relevant to an article, or quotes made by someone |
| + | *<s> The need for [[Template:SubPages]] is slightly counterintuitive, so perhaps the subpages should appear by default in the infobox?</s> | ||
| + | **<s> My main concern is that sub-pages should always have an obvious link to them on their parent pages. I was thrown by the [[David Kelly]] one for a while this morning. I'm not fussed about exactly how it is achieved, hence my installation of the subPages extension when I was having problems with the issue a while back --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 11:19, 21 September 2014 (IST)</s> <big>✓</big> Sep. 2014 - Infoboxes now display a list of subpages. | ||
===Documents=== | ===Documents=== | ||
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* Some thought about transcripts/translations is in order | * Some thought about transcripts/translations is in order | ||
| − | === | + | ===Timelines=== |
| − | + | The following developments are to be expected: | |
| − | + | #<s> Timeline pagenames will be standardised. i.e. {{t|''Parent Event''/Timeline}}</s> | |
| − | + | #<s> All 'timeline events' should be upgrade to use the normal [[Template:Event]]</s> ✓ July 2015 - All timelines were upgraded to integrate with SMW | |
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| − | # Timeline pagenames will be standardised. i.e. {{t|''Parent Event''/Timeline}} | ||
| − | # All 'timeline events' should be upgrade to use the normal [[Template:Event]] | ||
# The earlier image strip has been replaced by a list of text links, which should be replaced in due course with a set of image links | # The earlier image strip has been replaced by a list of text links, which should be replaced in due course with a set of image links | ||
# The timeline should automatically read data from the parent event | # The timeline should automatically read data from the parent event | ||
# All the hardcoded categories and forms should be replaced by dynamically generated ones | # All the hardcoded categories and forms should be replaced by dynamically generated ones | ||
# No separate page for the two different timeline formats - they should be shown on a single page in a tabstrip | # No separate page for the two different timeline formats - they should be shown on a single page in a tabstrip | ||
| − | + | # ''A large proportion of the old events need upgrading since they are mostly little more than a label.'' | |
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| + | ===Semantic Mediawiki=== | ||
| + | All pages now have input from {{SMW}}. ''You do not need to know how to program SMW to use it, or to help develop it by suggesting new ways it could be used''. Beginners to SMW should note that being precise is very important for it to work properly, so apparently small points from a human perspective can be of great important from the point of view of SMW. If it's not working as expected, remember to check points such as capitalization an singular/plural etc. | ||
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| + | ====Upgrades==== | ||
| + | Ways to improve how SMW is currently implemented. | ||
| + | * The "{{t|{{!}}perpetrators}}" field for events is too simplistic, since it doesn't distinguish, for example, the 'hired guns' from those who do the hiring. | ||
| + | * The "{{t|{{!}}membership}}" field for groups is too simplistic, since it doesn't allow for dates and grades of membership (e.g. 'chairman') | ||
| + | * Quotations by one person could appear on the page of whoever made them (or pointers to them) | ||
| + | * ... | ||
| − | ==Known issues | + | ===Known issues=== |
| − | + | * Some titles of page need ',' in them ideally, but this conflicts with comma as a list separator. This will probbaly never be fixed, since "," is so useful as a separator, but please be aware of this and ''do not use commas in titles''. | |
| − | * Some titles of page need ',' in them ideally, but this conflicts with comma as a list separator. | + | As of July 2015: |
* The edit dialog which comes up after using the top right button to publish and entry states "'''<nowiki>Publish to {{SITENAME}}</nowiki>'''". | * The edit dialog which comes up after using the top right button to publish and entry states "'''<nowiki>Publish to {{SITENAME}}</nowiki>'''". | ||
* [[Form::document]] incorrectly handles uploaded documents:- meaning that it is necessary to add {{t|File:}} after "|local=" to fix the PDF link. This is a small, but hard to diagnose problem for MW editors. | * [[Form::document]] incorrectly handles uploaded documents:- meaning that it is necessary to add {{t|File:}} after "|local=" to fix the PDF link. This is a small, but hard to diagnose problem for MW editors. | ||
* The "'''Interest of'''" list has an upper limit on the #entries it will display. This doesn't affect many pages (probably only [[Terrorism]]), and is due to the {{t|#arraymap}} parser function in [[Template:ArrayMapBulletedList]]. | * The "'''Interest of'''" list has an upper limit on the #entries it will display. This doesn't affect many pages (probably only [[Terrorism]]), and is due to the {{t|#arraymap}} parser function in [[Template:ArrayMapBulletedList]]. | ||
| − | === | + | ==Design== |
| + | The design intended to be fairly staid but functional as befits an encylopaedia. | ||
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| + | ===Space usage=== | ||
* The upper right corner is important space which is hardly used by many of the object templates. | * The upper right corner is important space which is hardly used by many of the object templates. | ||
| + | * Some of the labels in the infoboxes might benefit from reordering. | ||
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| + | ===Article status symbols=== | ||
| + | Wikispooks is very uneven in coverage - certain topics are well covered, others of major significance are stub class, or completely missing. This state of affairs is likely to remain so in the future, so how about some system of helping visitors quickly locate good content - i.e. a system of grading articles, or just marking out the most complete? | ||
| + | : That would be useful. Enhancement/development to the existing [[Template:Stub]] is probably the way to go. --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 15:11, 25 September 2014 (IST) | ||
| + | :: I imagined something like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Featured_content Portal:Featured_content]. [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 05:02, 28 September 2014 (IST) | ||
Revision as of 12:04, 1 August 2015
| Welcome to the WikiSpooks Community discussion page. This is the place for Wikispooks discussions which relate to the site as a whole, rather than just particular pages. All Wikispooks editors are encouraged to contribute thoughts relevant to developing the software and community behind the Wikispooks project. |
Contents
Software
Subpages
More standardisation might improve their utility.
- Integration with SMW. e.g. A fixed set of subpages which could be interpreted by software if found ".../murder", ".../perpetrators" etc.
- .../Quotes - for quotations relevant to an article, or quotes made by someone
The need for Template:SubPages is slightly counterintuitive, so perhaps the subpages should appear by default in the infobox?My main concern is that sub-pages should always have an obvious link to them on their parent pages. I was thrown by the David Kelly one for a while this morning. I'm not fussed about exactly how it is achieved, hence my installation of the subPages extension when I was having problems with the issue a while back --Peter P (talk) 11:19, 21 September 2014 (IST)✓ Sep. 2014 - Infoboxes now display a list of subpages.
Documents
Template:Video, Template:Image and Template:Document fulfill analagous founctions, but evolved separately.
- The semantic objects produced should be standardised for compatibility
- Some thought about transcripts/translations is in order
Timelines
The following developments are to be expected:
Timeline pagenames will be standardised. i.e. Parent Event/TimelineAll 'timeline events' should be upgrade to use the normal Template:Event✓ July 2015 - All timelines were upgraded to integrate with SMW- The earlier image strip has been replaced by a list of text links, which should be replaced in due course with a set of image links
- The timeline should automatically read data from the parent event
- All the hardcoded categories and forms should be replaced by dynamically generated ones
- No separate page for the two different timeline formats - they should be shown on a single page in a tabstrip
- A large proportion of the old events need upgrading since they are mostly little more than a label.
Semantic Mediawiki
All pages now have input from SMW. You do not need to know how to program SMW to use it, or to help develop it by suggesting new ways it could be used. Beginners to SMW should note that being precise is very important for it to work properly, so apparently small points from a human perspective can be of great important from the point of view of SMW. If it's not working as expected, remember to check points such as capitalization an singular/plural etc.
Upgrades
Ways to improve how SMW is currently implemented.
- The "|perpetrators" field for events is too simplistic, since it doesn't distinguish, for example, the 'hired guns' from those who do the hiring.
- The "|membership" field for groups is too simplistic, since it doesn't allow for dates and grades of membership (e.g. 'chairman')
- Quotations by one person could appear on the page of whoever made them (or pointers to them)
- ...
Known issues
- Some titles of page need ',' in them ideally, but this conflicts with comma as a list separator. This will probbaly never be fixed, since "," is so useful as a separator, but please be aware of this and do not use commas in titles.
As of July 2015:
- The edit dialog which comes up after using the top right button to publish and entry states "Publish to {{SITENAME}}".
- document incorrectly handles uploaded documents:- meaning that it is necessary to add File: after "|local=" to fix the PDF link. This is a small, but hard to diagnose problem for MW editors.
- The "Interest of" list has an upper limit on the #entries it will display. This doesn't affect many pages (probably only Terrorism), and is due to the #arraymap parser function in Template:ArrayMapBulletedList.
Design
The design intended to be fairly staid but functional as befits an encylopaedia.
Space usage
- The upper right corner is important space which is hardly used by many of the object templates.
- Some of the labels in the infoboxes might benefit from reordering.
Article status symbols
Wikispooks is very uneven in coverage - certain topics are well covered, others of major significance are stub class, or completely missing. This state of affairs is likely to remain so in the future, so how about some system of helping visitors quickly locate good content - i.e. a system of grading articles, or just marking out the most complete?
- That would be useful. Enhancement/development to the existing Template:Stub is probably the way to go. --Peter P (talk) 15:11, 25 September 2014 (IST)
- I imagined something like Portal:Featured_content. Robin (talk) 05:02, 28 September 2014 (IST)
