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::I looked for 'Franco Albrecht' on EN Wikipedia, since his article was deleted ('due to copyright concerns' - 'presumptive deletion' whatever procedure that is), so I found Day X plot .. but only wanted to relate that there still is an article that covers the affair in some way. Our article (as of yet), has another direction, I think is better to move back to previous title. | ::I looked for 'Franco Albrecht' on EN Wikipedia, since his article was deleted ('due to copyright concerns' - 'presumptive deletion' whatever procedure that is), so I found Day X plot .. but only wanted to relate that there still is an article that covers the affair in some way. Our article (as of yet), has another direction, I think is better to move back to previous title. | ||
::Everybody familiar what day X means in Germany? Is the day of reckoning in neo-nazi circles - this theme is older than the KSK or Albrecht affair. The English Wikipedia article mixes the KSK affair with Albrecht as being one thing, since he was in their chat groups, but it is unlikely that people in those KSK chat groups knew what he was up to (DE Wikipedia is more careful in their title "Bezüge zum „Hannibal“-Netzwerk"). The more I look, the more this seems to be disconnected from any state involvement, aka Gladio, even though right-wingers/neo-nazis with guns as the underlying theme is the same.-- [[User:Sunvalley|Sunvalley]] ([[User talk:Sunvalley|talk]]) 18:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC) | ::Everybody familiar what day X means in Germany? Is the day of reckoning in neo-nazi circles - this theme is older than the KSK or Albrecht affair. The English Wikipedia article mixes the KSK affair with Albrecht as being one thing, since he was in their chat groups, but it is unlikely that people in those KSK chat groups knew what he was up to (DE Wikipedia is more careful in their title "Bezüge zum „Hannibal“-Netzwerk"). The more I look, the more this seems to be disconnected from any state involvement, aka Gladio, even though right-wingers/neo-nazis with guns as the underlying theme is the same.-- [[User:Sunvalley|Sunvalley]] ([[User talk:Sunvalley|talk]]) 18:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC) | ||
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| + | Article linking in h hcard is for mostly English readers. Our article has the same direction. | ||
| + | Point two: https://www.google.com/search?q=german+army+commanders+far+right+link&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALiCzsaAg8PkSCPlHYY3BquZCoTUTSUQ7A%3A1664804018854&ei=suQ6Y5SyM_6P9u8P97C00Ao&ved=0ahUKEwiU06ehlsT6AhX-h_0HHXcYDaoQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=german+army+commanders+far+right+link&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOgoIABBHENYEELADOgQIIxAnOgUIABDLAToGCAAQHhAWOggIIRAeEBYQHToHCCEQoAEQCjoECCEQFUoECEEYAEoECEYYAFDSBFjsGWCyG2gDcAF4AIABhQGIAfYMkgEEMTEuN5gBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz | ||
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| + | Dozens of articles, And I haven't even read the German ones yet. Not just KSK. 327 have been found to be working in the state on federal or state level from customs to BND, etc etc, so that is a sign of a network at least. But fair, let's look into it; | ||
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| + | 1. When an emergency nationwide search was instigated after Franco A., a German FBI (the MAD) official tipped off the KSK commanders when they were going to get searched. 2. Police only discovered this because they had their own mole sitting in the KSK, who ran another “terrorist” cell, named Hannibal. That one was run with "army reservists, police officers, judges, members of SEK police tactical units, and other German security authorities. This links these two cases, with the linkage being the state, either BND or MAD itself. ''State involvement''. So now we have suspicion of a network in the state apparatus, and a spook running or at least monitoring and aiding these guys. Is that not enough? [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 14:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
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| + | Point of note: I've realized that most people are using the discussion page as their own notebook. So in the future, you'll have to tag someone to get a reaction. [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 14:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 14:13, 3 October 2022
English Wikipedia sorts this into this article -> Day X plot / FI - Sunvalley (talk) 16:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Great find, fixed. They even have the strategy of tension article there. You wanna bet how quickly Philip Cross will find this page? Jun (talk) 16:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- I looked for 'Franco Albrecht' on EN Wikipedia, since his article was deleted ('due to copyright concerns' - 'presumptive deletion' whatever procedure that is), so I found Day X plot .. but only wanted to relate that there still is an article that covers the affair in some way. Our article (as of yet), has another direction, I think is better to move back to previous title.
- Everybody familiar what day X means in Germany? Is the day of reckoning in neo-nazi circles - this theme is older than the KSK or Albrecht affair. The English Wikipedia article mixes the KSK affair with Albrecht as being one thing, since he was in their chat groups, but it is unlikely that people in those KSK chat groups knew what he was up to (DE Wikipedia is more careful in their title "Bezüge zum „Hannibal“-Netzwerk"). The more I look, the more this seems to be disconnected from any state involvement, aka Gladio, even though right-wingers/neo-nazis with guns as the underlying theme is the same.-- Sunvalley (talk) 18:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Article linking in h hcard is for mostly English readers. Our article has the same direction. Point two: https://www.google.com/search?q=german+army+commanders+far+right+link&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALiCzsaAg8PkSCPlHYY3BquZCoTUTSUQ7A%3A1664804018854&ei=suQ6Y5SyM_6P9u8P97C00Ao&ved=0ahUKEwiU06ehlsT6AhX-h_0HHXcYDaoQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=german+army+commanders+far+right+link&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOgoIABBHENYEELADOgQIIxAnOgUIABDLAToGCAAQHhAWOggIIRAeEBYQHToHCCEQoAEQCjoECCEQFUoECEEYAEoECEYYAFDSBFjsGWCyG2gDcAF4AIABhQGIAfYMkgEEMTEuN5gBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
Dozens of articles, And I haven't even read the German ones yet. Not just KSK. 327 have been found to be working in the state on federal or state level from customs to BND, etc etc, so that is a sign of a network at least. But fair, let's look into it;
1. When an emergency nationwide search was instigated after Franco A., a German FBI (the MAD) official tipped off the KSK commanders when they were going to get searched. 2. Police only discovered this because they had their own mole sitting in the KSK, who ran another “terrorist” cell, named Hannibal. That one was run with "army reservists, police officers, judges, members of SEK police tactical units, and other German security authorities. This links these two cases, with the linkage being the state, either BND or MAD itself. State involvement. So now we have suspicion of a network in the state apparatus, and a spook running or at least monitoring and aiding these guys. Is that not enough? Jun (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Point of note: I've realized that most people are using the discussion page as their own notebook. So in the future, you'll have to tag someone to get a reaction. Jun (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
