Talk:Wikipedia/System gamers

Unclear

Wikipedia is a topic of great interest to me, so this page attracted my attention. Nevertheless, I can't make much sense of it:( Assuming it's about Wikipedia, how about a move to Wikipedia/System gamers?

I think I can guess what you mean by "system gamers", but a clear explanation is needed about what this "level" actually refers to. Robin (talk) 03:24, 12 September 2014 (IST)

I understand what you are saying and it is on my list as the first thing to do (after breakfast) --Two Dogs (talk) 07:51, 12 September 2014 (IST)

I've done some more on it now and hopefully it's becoming clearer - though I haven't finished yet. As for moving it, please feel free: I don't know how to. --Two Dogs (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2014 (IST)

Levels

The level thing is a 1 to 5 score where 1=slight/subtle and 5=outright/blatant. The idea being that maybe the columns could be sorted. This is just an idea - so any comments would be welcome. Another way to consider this is that, based on behaviour 1 may just be acceptable on Wikispooks and 5 would definitely not. --Two Dogs (talk) 09:14, 12 September 2014 (IST)

WP is a top-down controled system. I fear pillorying editors by giving "grades" will lead to more of the same violence, distracting people from understanding any of the underlying mechanisms. If you want to debunk certain editors spreading disinformation, please consider doing so in a case study. --Urban (talk) 12:39, 24 September 2014 (IST)

Obviously some more work needed on this page, this being the second query on it. But maybe changes should be left until after it has been discussed. First of all, it was not intended as a way of pillorying editors or debunking certain editors. I feel that the subject of the top-down controlled system is adequately covered in the main article. This page was also not intended to be an alternative to Project:Problems_with_Wikipedia/Censorship (which contains a case study) and is referred to in the first para. It was intended as a tool, based on something I have found useful myself. Rather than trawling through tens of thousands of words on the talk pages, to find out what was being censored (and therefore possibly of interest), I found it much more efficient to simply look at what certain accounts were doing. If a "grade 5" system-gamer is actively pushing for something, it's a safe bet that there's more to the story than what's in the WP article itself. Hope this helps. If not, I'll try again. --Two Dogs (talk) 12:04, 25 September 2014 (IST)

Frankly, that sounds reasonable to me. I'm happy to see how it develops --Peter P (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2014 (IST)

I see now, I think I got your point. Your are undertaking a kind of pattern analyses. That's interesting! Urban (talk) 15:34, 26 September 2014 (IST)