Talk:Hamas

Jun, Fair enough you deleted an unreferenced sentence. But note that the essence of the claim probably is true - the bombers received at least tacit support. Hamas being "largely a creation of the Israeli deep state", rather than seeing the group as a "creature that escaped its master's control", the decade of suicide bombings was very convenient for (Likud-part) of the deep state, decisively swaying Israeli public opinion against peace. I remember reading well-researched pieces that substantiated this. The way search engines are nowadays, I was not able to find back to these pieces. Terje (talk) 06:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

True. Best I could find is Shin Bet knowing the Cave of the Patriarchs lone nut. The being created by I/DS is repeated largely in the origin, so it's not like it's disappeared. I remember you saying in 2020 you try to boycott MSM. Maybe try searching there again. Especially as Israeli operatives are very hard on legal repercussions for sites that do write such things without any source (and we are still getting quotes on more mainstream internet pages due to annual 9-11 boost), I'll emphasis the Mossad creation. The Israel Deep state really needs more to centralise sources though. Jun (talk) 12:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Terje, there is the Telegram channel TheMediterraneanMan, the operator (an Egyptian) has a contact address in the profile and he says he is taking questions. His politics is somewhat what you would expect, but not sure about his perspective on deep politics or this particular question .. but contacting him might be an option. FI -- Sunvalley (talk) 14:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I asked MedMan, but he did know. I'll keep looking. I know I read a quite convincing argument for it somewhere, possibly by Israel Shamir or Miko Peled (?)

Terje (talk)

The argument that Israel wanted to empower a more violent opposition is -so I think- established in the alternative media sphere. If these bombings or something (many things) else, I remember that argument having been been made in connection with the death of Yasser Arafat, but nothing useful comes to mind. Right now I'm bogged down with weird computer stuff, USB sticks changing permissions on their filesystem while I write on them, recurring 1 minute connection outages since the weekend (I think I have to throw my router and do a whole lot of new installations) .. so I can't do much right now. -- Sunvalley (talk) 21:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)