Talk:The secret war against Sweden

Due to https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikispooks:Standardisation, I want to change this to the WP title https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Swedish_submarine_incidents There are more sources than Ola (even though he made the book), and it could come off as biased to Ola, as Ola had gotten a treatment of antisemite and Swedish Alex Jones following his Breivik claims. This title perhaps goes against the clarity rule. Anyone oppose? Jun (talk) 07:46, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia headings tend to be bland and often obfuscating the real issues. "Submarine incidents" is a horribly boring description for what was a secret war that culminated in the 1986 assassination of Olof Palme.

I'll get around to adding other sources by-and-by. There are plenty of other decent books on this, but they are mostly in Swedish, so it will take a bit of time to add references. Tunander's book is the best, though.

Terje (talk) 08:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, you do use the wikipedia as reference on the page, so that sounds a little hypocritical to more neutral viewers. You could also just add "|"title" in the cons if you leave it this way so that the title still uses the book title, but the page uses the WP title. Be aware; you are using the title of a book for a proper deep event nevertheless, which should actually use the book document template per style guide. Therefore, I'd advise you to change it to that in the meanwhile until we got more sources. I'll make a short stub for the wikipedia readers, that leads to this page to help traffic to the page and align it for rookie readers. I remember you complaining about the search function of the site; I've researched that in the main core discussion; we can't change the fact that keywords don't lead to the right results sometimes for now so we try to use WP titles a lot per style guide, so that's why I'm also annoying you with this. It'll only be possible when we update the site and mediawiki. So, I'll leave this page alone, but think about it, as we are all about consistency to increase the traffic. Jun (talk) 13:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC) Ref:https://wikispooks.com/piwik/index.php?module=CoreHome&action=index&idSite=1&period=week&date=2023-11-04#?module=Dashboard&action=embeddedIndex&idSite=1&period=week&date=2023-11-04&idDashboard=1 - click on local searches.

I don't mind another name for it, as long as we can come up with something catchy. AFIK the operation - one of the most important PSYOPS in Europe during the 1980s - does not have a name among deep state researchers, so I chose "the secret war against Sweden", a good description. "Submarine incidents" won't do, as it hides the deep state purposefulness behind what happened. The yanks probably had a code name for it, but it is still classified. Other options are variations of "the 1980s Deception Committee submarine false flag Swedish regime change operation", etc.

Terje (talk) 06:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)