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==== Port Arthur, Dunblane, Sandy Hook, Christchurch ====

[[Category:Port Arthur, Dublane, Sandy Hook, Christchurch]]

I'll take notes here of things I'd typically put in the Talk pages of other wiki's, since wikispooks does not seem to have them on articles

Feel free to comment, criticize, though id prefer u didnt vandalise

- Juxtapositions b/t [[Dunblane school massacre]] and Sandy Hook should def be explored, as well as [[Port Arthur massacre]], which occured the same year though was not a school shooting. Explanations for why New Zealand's shooting resulting in mass disarmament didn't occur until 20 years later should also be considered

-ex. Discrepancies in reports regarding the shooting skill of Port Arthur shooter, the range at which he shot his victims, and the strategic (between the eyes, no chance of survival) places he managed to hit them. Some say the shots were point blank, which would not be impressive or farfetched, others say considering circumstances, point blank range of most or many shots seems unlikely, meaning the shooter's marksmanship exceeded the skillset that would be expected of someone like him

- Similar discrepancies in case of Adam Lanza, though in his case we know at least he had a lot of experience shooting before hand

-Port Arthur Shooter seems almost ceerainly suffered from asperger's. Dunblane shooter definitely weird, not necessarily autistic. 

-These events, with the exception of sandy hook, are rarely mentioned in US media. Which is odd considering, they'd serve as a good narrative in favor of disarmament, considering that lone wolf shootings since the respective events in Australia and Britain and the entire UK have been either non-existent, or close to it since

-How much these incidents were invoked in Britain (or UK as whole) and Australia in the aftermath of Sandy Hook would be interesting

- Parent's of victims of Dunblane shooting claim to have reached out to Sandy Hook Parents. Some parents of Dunblane Victims say they have helped Americans in their efforts to "change US gun laws (aka disarm americans)https://web.archive.org/web/20210311225221if_/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14282766/thomas-hamilton-dunblane-shooter-killer/ <<<<way towards bottom for dunblane parents comments

     -what connection, if any, can be drawn between the Dunblane Parents' contacting Sandy Hook Parent's and the supposed droves of conspiracy theorists who allegedly harrassed Sandy Hook parents
      - Any information regarding the people who harassed sandy hook parents, restraining orders filed, arrests made for violation of those orders, idenitites of harrassers already in the public domain, any figures regarding number of harassers, when the harrassment began, how it progressed - where it was discussed, how the people who called the parents found the information (were the parents doxxed or did harrassers find information independently, where the harrassers congregated and came up with the idea to start harrassing. 

     - There has always been a glaring link missing in this narrative, considering, afaik, there is no audio/video of Alex Jones telling his fans to contact these parents. This means the plan was hatched elsewhere online, unless we are to believe these harrassers all acted independently, w/o influencing one another in any way.

     - when did media reports of phone calls begin, where did media's info of calls first come from, did frequency of calls and number of people calling increase after media coverage, or was there no significant change? How many people were actually calling? Who were they? Where did they congregate, what were their influences, where did they come from, what did they hope to gain from calling, what was their demeanor when they called?

      - I have to assume that that at least some harrassers were involved in the Q movement. What, if any,crossosver can be observed? what can be gleened from this

      - 4chan and 8chan strangely not attributed at all to these incidences, not anywhere ive seen at least. How? Why?

     - Did the Authors of "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" instigate this on their website, memoryholeblog.org, were they ever associated at all with what happened, being that they were the original progenitors of the 'nobody died' narrative, and their leader, Wolfgang something, had compelling credentials. <s>I'm pretty sure Wolfgang at least has since died. </s>

==Halbig lives==
Wolfgang Halbig is not only alive but it tuns out that before alex jones, Halbig and most his peers have all been convicted of crimes related to the harrassment of sandy hook parents, and not in civil cout, although I dont believe anyone has done much time other than Halbiig

Another figurehead, steve santili, or something like that, was also a member of the oathkeepers, and was invloved in the ammon bundy standoff, and later confirmed to be an FBI Informant (not an agent)

Most of this info comming from sandyhookfacts.com. The author clearly has a bias, but it is readily acknowledged and self-proclaimed. Soime of the early articles merely skeptical, but as the guy digs furthe into halbig, the aticles  become much bolder in deameanor. It's like what frankreport.com was to the NXIVM scandal when that was going on, in a way. This guy, or his mates, basically chekced into a lot of the "Nobody died" arguments requiing info that most people are incapable of or dont know how to attain it..

- There's two important takeaways to the "nobody died" shit getting so outta control 
##The 'nobody died' theory implies that while forces in our government may be willing to orchestate a fake school shooting to meet an agenda, they are not evil enough to orchestate or oversee the actual murder of innocent childen; which is patently false.
## It should be taken into consideration that
[[User:AgentTorange | AgentTorange]] ([[User talk:AgentTorange|talk]]) {[[User:AgentTorange#My_Key|my key]]} 12:05, 4 December 2022 (UTC)


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     - I've never seen any of the aformentioned discussed or explored anywhere. Wolfgang's involvement indeed seems to have been memory holed, though that may just be in effort not to draw more people towards his research and claims. What is the likelihood the memory hole blog people,including wolfgang, were just narciccists capitalising on a tragedy, what are the odds they sincerely believed nobody died at sandy hook, how convincing is their evidence, and if the concepts introduced as evidence are convincing, how much of it is presented out of context, with lies of omission, or simply untrue?

-what other mass shooting incidents in other countries have playe an inextricable role in the disarmament of those countries and/or others (Dunblane led to disarmament of entire UK, which is 4[?] countries)

- New zealand shooter almost certainly not aspergers or autistic

- For all shooters - were they medicated, or recently taken off any medication at time of shooting?

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==Brainstorming==

One way i like to brainstorm is to think of answerable questions i have about a topic. and write them free-assocation kinda.

Fee free to try it here, I'd love to see what you come up with:

===Start Here===

==Talk pages==
Hello there,

Small note, if would be more effective if you'd tag someone when you use talk pages, as we don't automatically answer it like it's an public Facebook channel. We actually won't if we're not tagged as we're understaffed. Tagging is beginning the post with "[[!User:AgentTorange!]]" without the exclamation marks ofc. 
Therefore it maybe also would be better if you'd use your registered user name to sign off your posts instead of "my key" "sup d". Maybe I know who you are, but others don't. It's just a suggestion, think about it.

2. You also forgot on two talk pages to sign off using the 4 "~". In case someone wants to brainstorm with you, they won't know who you are. Please don't forget to do that.

3. Please use your own page for "secret pages", we are struggling to meet server costs, and adding secret pages with little ''known'' function doesn't help that. If you want to test all the templates or codes, would you be willing to your own user page or use [[template:test]]? [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 09:13, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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Sorry, all points noted. Not trying to be a douche. cant make any promises on the ~s, but i'll try. [[User:AgentTorange | AgentTorange]] ([[User talk:AgentTorange|talk]]) {[[User:AgentTorange#My_Key|my key]]} 13:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
No need to say sorry! Btw, brainstorming or sharing interesting things you find here on reddit would be a good start while you're new here. IF you want to, you could use our Wikispooks account https://www.reddit.com/user/WikispooksOfficial/, but you can also use an own acc if you want. Think about it. [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 20:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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===Reddit===
Saw your new acc. Heads up, we don't use on our subreddits on Reddit (yet). We just browse political subreddits (mostly https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/). Be aware that making your own account like you did, you can't post for two months on that sub. You can on https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy_commons/ [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 23:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
ah shit i thouht u were sayin i could like crowd source on the wikispooks subreddit. that's ok though, i cant believe none of those fucking redditors took /u/agenttorange yet, so im glad I secured that at least[[User:AgentTorange | AgentTorange]] ([[User talk:AgentTorange|talk]]) {[[User:AgentTorange#My_Key|my key]]} 23:32, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

==Style Guide==
[[User talk:AgentTorange]]. Your new inputs are fine, thx for those. Would you willing to read the [[Style guide]] and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles? Don't worry about the refs or [[templates]] (and I sometimes get helped as well), but at this point we have to edit a lot of spelling, grammar errors, and the lack of punctation marks. Great tip: use this on Firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/languagetool/ or this one Chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/grammar-spell-checker-%E2%80%94-l/oldceeleldhonbafppcapldpdifcinji as a start. We really try to avoid multiple editors (like with [[Crispin Glover]] having to ask on talk pages what the source of your imput is (it can't be a ref with just more explaining from the editor cuz that will get us sued or worse, we need a website before you post the entry).
Good example of a new good entry is [[Peter Singer]]. Just like that, it should read like an article from your local news station or your college library.

Any questions, feel free to ask. [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 14:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

[[User_talk:Jun]] <<<just remembered you showed me how to do that. I read he style guide. It was awesome.[[User:AgentTorange | AgentTorange]] ([[User talk:AgentTorange|talk]]) {[[User:AgentTorange#My_Key|my key]]} 07:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

:Great! Anyway, this was your input on "https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Special:Undelete/Outrage_porn/Recreational_outrage" where I wanted to point out your grammar on; 
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|[[Christine Sacco]]: Firsy widely reported victim of recreational outrge on twitterShe tweeted "hope I dont get AIDS" before getting on a flight to somewhere in Africa, then arrives in Africa 12+ hours later to find that the tweet has lost her job and in general upended her life <ref>https://uproxx.com/viral/what-happened-to-justine-sacco-the-woman-whose-life-was-ruined-by-an-aids-joke-she-made-on-twitter/ What Happened To Justine Sacco, The Woman Whose Life Was Ruined By An AIDS Joke She Made On Twitter?</ref> <ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20211026233230if_/https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/news/justine-sacco-deletes-hope-don-t-aids-tweet-052643421.html Justine Sacco Deletes ‘Hope I Don’t Get Aids’ Tweet – and Her Account – After Landing in Africa</ref> <ref>https://www.adweek.com/creativity/justine-sacco-fired-iac-hope-i-dont-get-aids-tweet-154639/ Justine Sacco Fired by IAC for ‘Hope I Don’t Get AIDS’ Tweet</ref> <ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527330/Blonde-female-PR-executive-tweets-Going-Africa-Hope-I-dont-AIDS-Just-kidding-Im-white-causes-international-outrage-likely-fired.html FIRED! PR exec who sparked outrage with racist tweet sent before 12-hour flight is sacked after landing and hearing the news... but company defend her as 'decent at core'</ref> 

{{note|a}}Fame does not entail noteability here because Recreational Outrage as a problem should be gauged by how often and how badly it is effecting regular people. Where famous people are concerned, it is typically [[Cancel culture]], which recreational outrage can be a catalyst of, but only noteably in unique situations; like if a mob permanently cancelled a celebrity by beating that celebrity to death (it would have to be a mob though, not a lone wolf). i can't think of any specific examples, but aside from mob justice, the only other noteable examples about a celeb would be like if Recreational outrage caused something to happen to a celebirty, but the fact that they are a celebrity played little to no part in whatever happened, or the people who did the thing that happened to the celebrity didn't know the person was a celebrity when they did it.
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And the Crispin Glover page, yeah. I mean you where helping greatly with your input, just keep it short and readable. People that have entries google themselves, and we have over 1,2million viewers each year and 35000 pages to scan for sources. What a talk page should be is User Terje asks "what is the source" in a few sentences. Someone should answer: "Can" or "can't find it" in a few sentences with sourcing. You did that. After User Sunvalley also said I can't find anything, it would better if we then delete the accusations from the page or place this> {{cn}} (like that Style guide mentions), and mention you either deleted the sentence or added "{{cn}}" on the talk page. The additional research under "links" was not needed. That's the point. No harm done at all, just a tip. [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 15:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

[[User_talk:Jun]] I see what u r saying about the sacco article now. On crispin's talk page, when i saw those links,  i thought sunvalley had posted them as proof the letter was real, and did not notice where sunvalley said he couldnt find anything. So, instead of just saying the globe and mail article "looks wrong to me" without adding a explanation, I was just trying to avoid a protracted argument about whether or not the article was good enough proof. My opinion of sunvalley's  acumen might have been subconsciously effected had you not pointed this out though, so I'm glad you did.[[User:AgentTorange | AgentTorange]] ([[User talk:AgentTorange|talk]]) {[[User:AgentTorange#My_Key|my key]]} 19:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

===Quotes===
This helps you how to place quotes; https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Quotation [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 15:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

THANK U[[User:AgentTorange | AgentTorange]] ([[User talk:AgentTorange|talk]]) {[[User:AgentTorange#My_Key|my key]]} 19:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

===SSRIs===
And great input on the SSRI pages. I forgot that CBT section. Formatting was on point as well. Keep it up. [[User:Jun|Jun]] ([[User talk:Jun|talk]]) 15:23, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, i pulled those links off a post on dread.  It's the only intelligent thing i've ever seen there[[User:AgentTorange | AgentTorange]] ([[User talk:AgentTorange|talk]]) {[[User:AgentTorange#My_Key|my key]]} 19:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)