Talk:Islamic State

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Someone inserted a lot of words in the header relaying government blabla preceded by his/her interpretation of the following quote. If no serious arguments are brought foreward, I'll send this to a subpage or to nirwana. It is easy to disrupt the inner workings of WS and I we should be very clear what we consider helpful. Copy and paste actions from {ccm} sources or WP is not helpful. Especially if personal interpretations are mixed in or so many words nebulize the focus.

There is a general lack of awareness that practically no relyable sources are available regarding IS and probably it will take a long time until such sources surface - if at all. With its civilian targets and focus on media outlets it looks very much like an Al Quaeda/Gladio B operation to me, a very useful enemy with limited/controlled power and with a [strategy of tension] in mind. The pattern of a strategy of tension is ongoing and observable since 1950.

To focus on rage, guilt, shame, anxiety and other games politicians and {ccm} like to play doesn't help clarity. I suggest we take action when we read the first word we consider too vague or nebulous without hesitation or waiting any futher. This means communicating with the editor - not consorship. --Urban (talk)

I agree with that 100%. Extended c&p from Wikipedia or any other commercially-controlled media source is NOT helpful to the WS project. Nuggets of important suppressed info and legitimate suspicions are what's needed which, if present at all, become submerged in a sea of hot air that nobody will read. Quality not quantity is what is required. That will usually mean pointing out the obfuscations, ommissions biases and downright falsehoods of the dominant narratives adopted by the commercially-controlled media. The ISIS page is a case in point and there are others which I have personally slated for wholesale pruning of irrelevant fluff and the addition of brief hitherto ommitted information - eg Kogalymavia Flight 9268 - finding the time to do it is my problem. Policy and guidline could perhaps be improved - especially as regards wholesale C&P + Wikipedia import - but fixing pages where they are effectively ignored is a time consuming and awkward task. Likewise, getting editors to both read and abide by them is not easy without alienating otherwise good people. Obtaining guidline compliance can be a delicate matter where otherwise knowledgeable contributors are concerned. On the basis of your past contributions, which are first class in all repects, please feel free to have a go on any pages you think warrant it. --Peter P (talk) 07:53, 30 November 2015 (GMT)