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Do you see my point? Did you come here to promote your personal page? Or to do some sort of propaganda? --[[User:Urban|Urban]] ([[User talk:Urban|talk]]) 05:12, 11 January 2016 (GMT) | Do you see my point? Did you come here to promote your personal page? Or to do some sort of propaganda? --[[User:Urban|Urban]] ([[User talk:Urban|talk]]) 05:12, 11 January 2016 (GMT) | ||
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| + | : We can do without ad-hominems of the sort demonstrated in the last sentence above please. There is indeed widespread corruption everywhere, and what Urban says about 'people calling themselves Christians' is indeed arguable, but I don't agree that labels are meaningless; neither do I see Wikibear as promoting hate - that is a historically VERY Jewish 'gotcha' response to pretty well any and every criticism that the guardians of Judaic orthodoxy don't like - just as an 'antisemite' is more accurately defined as a person feared/disliked by by Jews rather than a person who hates Jews. The plain fact is that, other than to affirm the alleged 'eternal suffering' of Jews at the hands of Gentiles, the 'J' word has become absolute taboo in the west. Those who argue differently in Europe wrt to WWII earn themselves a prison sentence; elsewhere (especially the UK/US) it disqualifies you from political and academic life. Those facts alone should tell you that Judaism, its 'Jewish identity politics' and the effects of specifically Jewish interests on the history of the past 150 years in particular, are in dire need of some serious scrutiny. But a better framework for such scrutiny and analysis is - IMO to adopt Judaism's own categories of Jew and Gentile; it makes matters much simpler too. --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 08:13, 11 January 2016 (GMT) | ||
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A different POV
You say: "A word coined to denote the corruption that is so widespread in the Jewish community". Corruption is widespread everywhere. Probabely most people killed on this earth were killed by people who labeled themselves "Christians". The label itself has no meaning. Is that clear?
The point is not to switch from hating all Jews or Christians or Muslims to a part of what you label as such - but to eliminate hate itself.
Do you see my point? Did you come here to promote your personal page? Or to do some sort of propaganda? --Urban (talk) 05:12, 11 January 2016 (GMT)
- We can do without ad-hominems of the sort demonstrated in the last sentence above please. There is indeed widespread corruption everywhere, and what Urban says about 'people calling themselves Christians' is indeed arguable, but I don't agree that labels are meaningless; neither do I see Wikibear as promoting hate - that is a historically VERY Jewish 'gotcha' response to pretty well any and every criticism that the guardians of Judaic orthodoxy don't like - just as an 'antisemite' is more accurately defined as a person feared/disliked by by Jews rather than a person who hates Jews. The plain fact is that, other than to affirm the alleged 'eternal suffering' of Jews at the hands of Gentiles, the 'J' word has become absolute taboo in the west. Those who argue differently in Europe wrt to WWII earn themselves a prison sentence; elsewhere (especially the UK/US) it disqualifies you from political and academic life. Those facts alone should tell you that Judaism, its 'Jewish identity politics' and the effects of specifically Jewish interests on the history of the past 150 years in particular, are in dire need of some serious scrutiny. But a better framework for such scrutiny and analysis is - IMO to adopt Judaism's own categories of Jew and Gentile; it makes matters much simpler too. --Peter P (talk) 08:13, 11 January 2016 (GMT)
