Document talk:Jewarchy

A different POV

You say: "A word coined to denote the corruption that is so widespread in the Jewish community". Corruption is widespread everywhere. Probabely most people killed on this earth were killed by people who labeled themselves "Christians". The label itself has no meaning. Is that clear?

The point is not to switch from hating all Jews or Christians or Muslims to a part of what you label as such - but to eliminate hate itself.

Do you see my point? Did you come here to promote your personal page? Or to do some sort of propaganda? --Urban (talk) 05:12, 11 January 2016 (GMT)

We can do without ad-hominems of the sort demonstrated in the last sentence above please. There is indeed widespread corruption everywhere, and what Urban says about people calling themselves Christians is arguable, but I don't agree that labels are meaningless or unhelpful; neither do I see Wikibear as promoting hate - that is a historically VERY Jewish 'gotcha' response to pretty well any and every criticism that the guardians of Judaic orthodoxy don't like - just as an 'antisemite' in its current usage is more accurately defined as a person feared/disliked by Jews, rather than a person who hates Jews. The plain fact is that, other than to affirm the alleged 'eternal suffering' of Jews at the hands of Gentiles, the 'J' word has become absolute taboo in the west. Those who argue differently in Europe wrt to WWII earn themselves a prison sentence; elsewhere (especially the UK/US) they will be disqualified from political and academic life. Those facts alone should tell you that Judaism, its 'Jewish identity politics' (per Gilad Atzmon) and the effects of specifically Jewish interests on the history of the past 150 years in particular, are in dire need of some serious scrutiny. But a better framework for such scrutiny and analysis is - IMO to adopt Judaism's OWN categories of Jew and Gentile; it makes matters much simpler too. --Peter P (talk) 08:13, 11 January 2016 (GMT)

Peter, sure there is a strategy to use power over others by guilt induction. I am not suggesting we fall for that strategy by avoiding the topic. In contrary, let's be very clear about it! But suggesting to hate those using violent strategies just adds more violence on top. I hope we consent that there is enough violence on the planet and we do not want to add to it? This verbatim quote is scary for me: "Blomstrom finally settled on anti-Jewarchism as an appropriate term for people who have nothing against ordinary Jews but hate or are opposed to the full spectrum of Jewish corruption, including but not limited to Zionism. It's similar to a person hating the Sicilian Mafia without directing hate at all Italians." I don't see a way to peaceful conflict resolution or a deeper understanding of the control and guilt mechanism at work. Quite the opposite. Is there anybody who "deserves" that hate is directed against him or her? Is there such a thing as "righteous anger"? --Urban (talk) 12:54, 11 January 2016 (GMT)

Urban wrote, "You say: 'A word coined to denote the corruption that is so widespread in the Jewish community'. Corruption is widespread everywhere. Probabely most people killed on this earth were killed by people who labeled themselves 'Christians'. The label itself has no meaning. Is that clear?"

Yes - clear as mud.

Seriously, that comment makes absolutely no sense. OF COURSE, there's corruption everywhere, and there are different names for that corruption: The Sicilian Mafia, the Russian Mafia, the Spanish Inquisition.

Today, many people are concerned about ZIONISM. Many others are concerned about what are loosely called JEWISH BANKERS. I was surprised to discover only recently that there is (or was) a Jewish Mafia that worked with the Italian Mafia; in fact, the top gangster in Cuban was Meyer Lansky (a Jew).

Yes, there are plenty of corrupt Christians. I've written lots of material condemning Christians. I've also taken some potshots at whites in general, and I'm sometimes forced to look in a mirror - as everyone should.

This particular article is about corruption in the Jewish community. And, pound for pound, you have to admit the Jewish community packs a powerful punch.

URBAN: "The point is not to switch from hating all Jews or Christians or Muslims to a part of what you label as such - but to eliminate hate itself."

On that I disagree. Hate is a natural emotion that evolved for a purpose, similar to love. It needs to be controlled and properly channeled. But eliminated? You should visit Seattle and observe the legions of apathetic stooges who look the other way while children are screwed in our privatized schools. If no one gets angry over the destruction of the rainforest and the sea, then we're lost.

URBAN: "Did you come here to promote your personal page? Or to do some sort of propaganda?"

Actually, you're the one who appears to be dishing out the propaganda. Are you Jewish?

I launched my Jewarchy campaign several months ago. As referenced in the article, I'm being blacklisted by Google. In fact, only the Russian and Chinese search engines Yandex and Baidu indexed www.jewarchy.com until very recently.

I thought publishing an article here would give the idea more exposure and help direct traffic to www.jewarchy.com at the same time. That's called LOGIC.

I also want to solicit more ideas from the community. But, to be brutally blunt, I was hoping for something of higher caliber than you've offered.

Here's another example. You wrote, "This verbatim quote is scary for me: 'Blomstrom finally settled on anti-Jewarchism as an appropriate term for people who have nothing against ordinary Jews but hate or are opposed to the full spectrum of Jewish corruption, including but not limited to Zionism. It's similar to a person hating the Sicilian Mafia without directing hate at all Italians.'

"I don't see a way to peaceful conflict resolution or a deeper understanding of the control and guilt mechanism at work. [What does THAT mean???] Quite the opposite. Is there anybody who 'deserves' that hate is directed against him or her? [YES!] Is there such a thing as 'righteous anger'? [YES!]"

Anger and even name-calling are forms of ACCOUNTABILITY. When a person robs a bank or murders someone, we don't give him a box of chocolates. Friends and relatives of the victims get ANGRY. They may HATE him. Even worse, he'll probably spend time in prison. Locking a person up in a cage for a year - or a couple decades - is one of the most extreme forms of hate imaginable.

Yet some form of punishment is needed to deter people from committing crimes. One of the reasons our government is out of control is the fact that there's almost zero accountability. Corrupt politicians can steal trillions of dollars and torture and murder people by the thousands without fear of being punished. It's even getting harder to criticize them or call them names, because an army of propagandists bungle the criticism while an army of civility freaks cry foul over the name calling.

If you follow current events, you should know the Jewarchists aren't getting more powerful by playing nice. They call names, they incite hatred and torture and murder. The word "antisemitism" is central to their propaganda campaign. At the risk of sounding arrogant, I think countering it with "antijewarchism" is a stroke of genius.

But one size doesn't fit all. The anti-Jewarchism campaign won't succeed until the word is used and supported by large numbers of people. I would expect some of these people to be perfectly polite and "professional." But I would also expect Muslims whose lives have been shattered and who are thirsting for revenge to latch on to Jewarchy as a weapon they can use to strike back.

I agree there should be no place for hatred of a person, a people, or a group of people, however defined or identified (ie race, religion, nationality etc). To that extent I also share your unease about the the piece you quote and think it should be modified. I also agree that violence can NEVER be a solution to any problem - which does not mean that I would not defend myself with violence if immanently threatened with it. However, I have no problem with hatred of a concept, or a philosophy or tenet of religion or any other abstract construction. As for the substantive subject - Jewish Power - ANY discussion of it has become absolute taboo in the West and thus, by definition, ought to be covered here on Wikispooks. I have suggested that the current Jewarchy page be changed to an author-ascribed document and frankly I would also like to see some changes per the things discussed here in it too. I will move it to the Document namespace and create a new page that simply explains the concept and which will list the document in the SMWDocs section. --Peter P (talk) 14:32, 11 January 2016 (GMT)

Let's say there are three broad ways we can treat corporate pedophiles (i.e. corporate power brokers who exploit children, whether or not they are literally pedophiles): 1) We can love them; 2) We can hate them; 3) We can look at them without bias.

Sorry, but there's no way I'm going to embrace a person like Obama or Bill Gates. Could I compromise and look at them without emotion?

Well, suppose you're walking down a sidewalk when you encounter three guys kicking a puppy to death. Can you look me in the eye and tell me you'd just keep on walking, devoid of emotion?

My biggest heroes include Gaddafi, Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez and Malcolm X. They all hated passionately. Che Guevara, in particular, held evil people accountable. That's one of the reasons I rever them. At the same time, they knew how to channel their hatred. They weren't deranged sadists; they simply stood up to evil people, calling a spade a spade. After the Cuban Revolution, Che Guevara executed people. But it wasn't like the Spanish Inquisition or Stalinist Russia. He did a job that needed to be done, then moved on.

Suggested edits

Can I suggest that WikiBear (The author) take note of the above criticisms and consider the suggested changes. Also, whilst it is OK to use html tags for text formatting, it is much preferred that wikitext tags be used instead, because they are much simpler and make text editing much easier to sort out visually. See Help:Formatting. You might also find it easier to use the 'edit with form' option when creating/editing documents.

Where can I find a list of wikitext tags?

Important: Now that this is a regular document page, it needs to be edited to use first rather than third person grammar - Other changes may also be appropriate during that process --Peter P (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2016 (GMT)