Talk:Hacker/Premature death

There is currently no list like this for crypto involved people who had premature deaths. Nikolai Mushegian has been sorted here as "hacker" while probably more a programmer who went into crypto. There are a number of crypto people who could be put on a list like this [1], but with Mushegian there is now sort of an overlap. Robin can you please help/decide how to develop this further? We have Tiantian Kullander and Autumn Radtke who have no tech related |const but have been been in crypto and died early. Basically a new |const for crypto people seems to be needed. -- Sunvalley (talk) 23:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

The Tiantian Kullander crypto connection is not evident from the page. So as a first step, let's consider how that should be represented. Possibly with Property:Has interest? The key to making these lists is making them build themselves, and that means choosing a simple SMW expression to define who should be on it. As an example:

1. "Is interested in cryptocurrency" in human lanugage is "[[Has interest::cryptocurrency]]" (note the the two colons) in SMW.
2. "Was assassinated" translates as "[[Victim of::assassination]]".
3. If we put those two together we get "[[Has interest::cryptocurrency]][[Victim of::assassination]]" which gives us the intersection of the two sets
4. Let's see who we have listed who is in that set. To do this, go to Ask and type the expression in the Condition box in the top left. Hmmm, Nikolai Mushegian... (To check that the SMW "Was assassinated" and "Is interested in cryptocurrency" expressions are working as hoped, try those pieces on their own)

I think you'll agree, that's not yet a very compelling case for a page. However, I do seem to recall a wave of "Bitcoin billionaires" who died suddenly. Page ask (and SMW in general) is not doing anything remarkable, just performing simple queries on the semantic data, i.e. the data in the infobox. Why only one name so far in that intersection? Missing data is the simplest explanation, but I seem to remember putting a bunch of those in myself, and I usually fill in the infobox data -- precisely so that names are added to the appropriate list and that future SMW queries will work as they should. I suspect we could get some inspiration in the source code of the Hacker/Premature deaths page:

This page lists '''[[hackers]] have [[suddenly died]]'''.
{{SMWDocSection
|expression= [[Victim_of::Assassination]][[Constitutes::hacker]]
|caption_singular=An Assassinated hacker on Wikispooks
|caption_plural=Assassinated hackers on Wikispooks
|mainlabel = Wikispooks page
|properties=Born on/Died on/Constitutes/Description
|headers=Born/Died/Summary/Description
}}

{{SMWDocSection
|expression= [[Victim_of::murder]][[Constitutes::hacker]]
|caption_singular=A Murdered hacker on Wikispooks
|caption_plural=Murdered hackers on Wikispooks
|mainlabel = Wikispooks page
|properties=Born on/Died on/Constitutes/Description
|headers=Born/Died/Summary/Description
}}

{{SMWDocSection
|expression= [[Victim_of::Premature death]][[Constitutes::hacker]]
|caption_singular=
|caption_plural=Other prematurely deceased hackers on Wikispooks
|mainlabel = Wikispooks page
|properties=Born on/Died on/Constitutes/Description
|headers=Born/Died/Summary/Description
}}
{{SMWDocs}}

When I see this, I recall our policy of being intentionally conservative in reporting assassinations. Murder is easier to prove, sudden death even easier. The key point to note here that the expression field is the same language as above. So I suspect this holds the key. The source code as well as reminding me why that first try didn't work, also has another function. Given a suitable semantic expression, it also shows how to make a page section out of it (together with some fairly predictable changes to the other section params). Let me know if you need more help. -- Robin (talk) 13:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

The technical part is lost on me. Two values (parameter, expression) have to come together to be sorted here, get it, but it will not be me implementing that. The question I have is -and since you like WS be using SMW to create pages like this- what |const shall we use for crypto people? Hacker might not be correct or ideal for most mentioned in this article -> [2]. You created Tiantian Kullander and Autumn Radtke so I could continue to give all mentioned a page, maybe leading up to another Premature deaths page. But is there a term that fit's in your opinion? technology entrepreneur might be to broad, cryptocurrency developer might be too specific .. crypto bro not fitting, also looking at Nikolai Mushegian .Can you find (think of) a |const / name for these people? -- Sunvalley (talk) 21:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Crypto is not my field of expertise, so no suitable word springs to me mind. Instead I have made Cryptocurrency/Premature death, modeled on the Hacker/Premature deaths page. This lists anyone with both:

1. |interests=cryptocurrencies ; AND
2. |victim_of=Premature death OR |victim_of=murder OR |victim_of=assassination

So do not add |constitutes=Cryptocurrency/Premature death, but instead add the two properties as listed above. However, using cryptocurrency premature death as a link in the body of the page could be good. -- Robin (talk) 10:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)