Talk:2024 Porn media campaign

"why is this a psyop?"

Because this is what I thought it is initially and somehow still do. If PsyOp is not a fitting name (changed |const earlier), please help me put it right, can't think of another name for this. Quoting from one citation:

At the same time as the Political Class pretends that group-based CSAE is an existential problem, the media are pushing out endless stories about online porn performers Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips. There is enormous coverage about these two individuals, the sample below is just a few days of January 2025 mainstream media coverage for Bonnie Blue. Social media is similarly plastered with stories about her and Lily Phillips.

There is also massive number of articles in Spanish and French. It may be mostly about normalizing porn (different from how the thinkingcoalition.substack puts it, them making the connection to Pakistani grooming gangs, and that public anger in Britain is being directed), but not sure. -- Sunvalley (talk) 22:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

The general procedure is as simple as this:

1. Go to Psyop#Examples
2. See whether it matches the others.

I'd say probably not, because there's not much trickery involved. (c.f. from the psyop page: "False flag attacks are classic examples of psyops". I just went to Social_change#Examples to consider "social change" and what jumped out at me: "sexualization". -- Robin (talk) 13:34, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

How about "2024 Porn normalisation campaign"? It actually ties into a bigger network -possibly sexual blackmail - around the sleazy Eddie Davenport.

Terje (talk) 02:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)--

Go for it. Just as for why I choose PsyOp: The term comes from the military, false flags may not be the best classical example for this. It is (was initially) about changing public opinion in a favorable way towards your own occupation (radio broadcast, leaflets, outreach). From a current US army job offer "missions that convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences. This information is intended to influence the emotions, motives, reasoning and behavior of foreign governments and citizens in a manner that is favorable to allied objectives". So this looks like it has some sort of that to it (there is also IO influence operation) and PsyOp is easily understood in the context, it mirrors the wording that you would find on social media, reddit, 4chan etc .. at least that is my feeling. -- Sunvalley (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Since we're here, and since these are important terms, what is a "PsyOp" as distinct from an "influence operation"? Original usage is certainly relevant, but so too is current usage (by us and by others). Is a PO an IO or vice versa? Or are they both examples of a term which is itself a sub-item of "operation")? -- Robin (talk) 01:12, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Both are related, both are manipulation. IO is a later version of what PsyOp's did at a time when there was no Internet, the way I see it, there may not be a very clear distinction, only one developed later to include new technology. But AI does tell it differently: "Psychological operations (PSYOPs) and influence operations are closely related but distinct concepts. PSYOPs came first, historically rooted in military and strategic contexts, aiming to shape perceptions and behaviors through targeted messaging. Influence operations, a broader term, encompass PSYOPs but also include diplomatic, economic, and cyber strategies to sway public opinion or decision-making. Essentially, PSYOPs are a subset of influence operations, with the latter evolving to include modern information warfare techniques."

"Porn media campaign" is good. -- Sunvalley (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)