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== 2015 Discussions ==
 
===August===
 
I've just added the "7/15/25/35 Items/Page" options as a bit of a quick and dirty stop gap. I tried 40 or more and that was too much for Mediawiki to deal with:-(
 
* For those pages with {{t|description}}s, a tooltip would be good, but I don't know whether that is possible within Mediawiki.
 
* The 'Twitter' tab still has a lot of whitespace.
 
* Tab choice: Data on which tabs were the most popular could be useful, but since that is a clientside decision, that's not available.
 
--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 10:56, 15 August 2015 (IST)
 
  
===July===
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''For talk prior to 2019, see the [[Talk:Main Page/Archive|archive]]''
It improved since last year, but I'm still not entirely happy with it... I just reduced the number of results returned for each tab from 15 down to 12, primarily to decrease loading time. I'm pretty happy with the format, but I'd value thoughts on how to improve it. I'm thinking about the following changes:
 
  
* <s>''Larger images'' - since they are not really identifiable at the moment. I just upped them from 26 to 30px.</s>
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==2021==
* <s>(Re)moving the class icons - since they look odd next to the images.</s>
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This has not been reliably rendering as a tabstrip for me 100% of the time. I think it's possibly browser dependent. Is it rendering OK for you? -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
* Rethinking which tabs are needed, since they all slow loading time.
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:Actually, I do remember odd behavior for non-standard characters, or display of <ref> in unexpected places, such as properties. That might be it. Anyway: -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:21, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
* <s>Removing at least one of the strips above the tabstrip</s>
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* [[Chromium]] - 2021-07-27 - Top tab rendered above the rest, which are normally tabbed, so the page is twice as tall as it should be
* Using some of the semantic data (e.g. [[Property:Description]]) to provide some information either as a tool tip, or on the page itself
 
  
I still almost never use the front page (too bandwidth heavy, too slow). As last year, ideas welcome. [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:35, 23 June 2015 (IST)
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==2019==
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What does the title "Main Page" add to the coverpage? -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 10:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
: Reduction of the number of results will have negligible impact on the page load time. That said, 12 does look more 'in proportion' on the current page geometry/layout - IMO.
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:Nothing, but we're stuck with it just now. The <code>No Title</code> Extension crashes the site. There is probably a simple solution but I haven't looked for it yet --[[User:Peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 10:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
:* Larger images do look better
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:* I'm agnostic about the class icons
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:Fixed --[[User:Peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 10:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
:* If simple(ish) to do, a useful interim measure which would greatly reduce page load time, would be to execute only the 'Latest Edits' query on initial page load; then execute any others as, when and if selected. I still intend to install an html reverse proxy which will dramatically impact on the current page load time, but there are some tricky technical issues involved so an interim measure would be useful. It would also be useful to have a ''Further results'' link at the bottom of each Main page list.
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:* I agree the info-box strips above do need a re-think
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Is there a list of articles with no content in the bio? I am working on filling in missing bios but they are somewhat hard to ID. There are a lot of outstanding VIPs especially for the more recent bilderberg meetings. -- [[User:Dan|Dan]] ([[User talk:Dan|talk]]) 02:01, 18 August 2019 (EST)
:* Over to you on the last idea, which again would be a solid useability enhancement.
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::: --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 11:03, 24 June 2015 (IST)
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: We don't really do static lists, since it's too much work to maintain them. To generate live lists (this is how [[Template:SMWDocs]] works), you need to go to [[Special:Ask]], the interface to semantic querying. It's very flexible once you learn the syntax to type into the '''Condition''' box. Here are some to get started:
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: * Any page who describing a person: {{t|<nowiki>[[Has objectClass::Person]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Any page with less than 512 bytes of content: {{t|<nowiki>[[Has revisionSize::<<512]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Any page (i.e. anyone) who attended the [[2019 Bilderberg]]: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::Bilderberg/2019]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended 8 Bilderbergs: {{t|<nowiki> [[Has bilderbergCount::8]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended the 201? Bilderberg: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended any Bilderberg: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/*]]</nowiki>}}
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:These can be stacked, so for anyone who attended the Bilderberg since 2010, has attended at least 5 Bilderbergs, and has a page with less than 512 bytes of content:
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::  {{t|<nowiki>[[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]][[Has bilderbergCount::>5]][[Has revisionSize::<<512]]</nowiki>}}
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A good place to see what sort of queries are possible is at https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Selecting_pages Alternatively, if you've any particular queries you'd like to make, feel free to post to [[User_talk:Robin|my talk page]]. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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:: Another approach would be to make a project of giving each Bilderberger of interest a description (add {{t|<nowiki>{{!}}description=...</nowiki>}} to that person template at the top of the page). This sets the line of text that appears in the {{t|Participants}} section of each Bilderberg meeting, so it's easy to see who is missing a still description (most of them). -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Revision as of 16:21, 27 July 2021

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For talk prior to 2019, see the archive

2021

This has not been reliably rendering as a tabstrip for me 100% of the time. I think it's possibly browser dependent. Is it rendering OK for you? -- Robin (talk) 14:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I do remember odd behavior for non-standard characters, or display of <ref> in unexpected places, such as properties. That might be it. Anyway: -- Robin (talk) 16:21, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Chromium - 2021-07-27 - Top tab rendered above the rest, which are normally tabbed, so the page is twice as tall as it should be

2019

What does the title "Main Page" add to the coverpage? -- Robin (talk) 10:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Nothing, but we're stuck with it just now. The No Title Extension crashes the site. There is probably a simple solution but I haven't looked for it yet --Peter (talk) 10:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Fixed --Peter (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Is there a list of articles with no content in the bio? I am working on filling in missing bios but they are somewhat hard to ID. There are a lot of outstanding VIPs especially for the more recent bilderberg meetings. -- Dan (talk) 02:01, 18 August 2019 (EST)

We don't really do static lists, since it's too much work to maintain them. To generate live lists (this is how Template:SMWDocs works), you need to go to Special:Ask, the interface to semantic querying. It's very flexible once you learn the syntax to type into the Condition box. Here are some to get started:
* Any page who describing a person: [[Has objectClass::Person]]
* Any page with less than 512 bytes of content: [[Has revisionSize::<<512]]
* Any page (i.e. anyone) who attended the 2019 Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::Bilderberg/2019]]
* Anyone who attended 8 Bilderbergs: [[Has bilderbergCount::8]]
* Anyone who attended the 201? Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]]
* Anyone who attended any Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/*]]
These can be stacked, so for anyone who attended the Bilderberg since 2010, has attended at least 5 Bilderbergs, and has a page with less than 512 bytes of content:
[[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]][[Has bilderbergCount::>5]][[Has revisionSize::<<512]]

A good place to see what sort of queries are possible is at https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Selecting_pages Alternatively, if you've any particular queries you'd like to make, feel free to post to my talk page. -- Robin (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Another approach would be to make a project of giving each Bilderberger of interest a description (add {{!}}description=... to that person template at the top of the page). This sets the line of text that appears in the Participants section of each Bilderberg meeting, so it's easy to see who is missing a still description (most of them). -- Robin (talk) 20:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)